I honestly wish I knew who Bernard Lewis and Michael Ledeen are, google here we come.

Edit. Nevermind, I know of Michael Ledeen, just didn't recognize the name, however, Bernard Lewis is new to me.

Professor at Princeton I think.

Ask anyone who supports an overt "war on terrorism" this simple little question and see what kind of response you get:

How does the END of the "war on terror" manifest itself???? Hmmmmm? Do we "declare victory" after we realize there has not been a terrorist attack in say.... 1 year? 2 years? The end of terrorism on the planet... what a JOKE! This whole war is being used for political gain... using ignorant people's fear of "terrorism", telling them they are "safe" as long as republicans are in power... getting you to vote in politicians who consistantly do things that are not in the interest of the average hard-working American!

WAKE UP FOLKS!!! Ask yourself why we even care what the hell happens in the middle east??? Why did we come to the rescue of the good lads in Kuwait when Saddam invaded? Why did OBL say he attacked the USA in 2001???? Get a clue!

Why is terrorism in quotes? If you don't think it is real you need to wake up. What would you call running planes into buildings? What would you call trying to blow up planes over the Atlantic? They weren't freedom fighters. As far as the war being used for political gain, terrorists declared war on America, it wasn't the other way around. Regardless of who is in power we can not ignore terrorism as you advocate.

The end of the war on terror is when the mere thought of supporting terror makes people in the Middle East shiver slightly and cast their eyes to the skys in fear remembering what happened last time.

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Liberal-a person who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people don't have cake, and believes that you should donate your cake to them

I would call running Planes into buildings exactly what it is... A WAKE UP CALL!!! Get the hell out of the middle east! Let those folks kill each other and get back to business here for the good of OUR people. One other factoid.... you cannot ever end a war when you are unwilling to acknowledge your enemy. That, by definition, guarantees that the "war on terror" will never end.

Here's what should be happening and what should have happened! We should have went into Afghanistan with 75,000 troops... turned that place inside-out... gotten the guy who actually created the 9/11 attacks and then completely withdrew from the middle east and continued a COVERT war against terrorists. Infiltrating them, assasinating them, sending in drones to kill individuals.

Drawing a map in the middle east and starting to pin flags of "liberty" all over the region is going to perpetuate a never ending conflict. If you don't see the logic in that, you are a total idiot and you need to put down the Rambo collection of DVD's you're holding so tightly!

So the US should have run out of the Middle East on 9-12? Dude, are you always this stupid or are you just on a roll today?

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Liberal-a person who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people don't have cake, and believes that you should donate your cake to them

First off, could you please register, just to keep things simple here?


They brought the war to us using the excuse that we are "infedels" and that we need to be killed. You can't just with draw from someone wanting for you to cease to exist.

Secondly, you can't very well just go around killing targets "covertly", you'll have the liberals crying murder, and you'll have to deal with war crime charges.

..I will add another thing. This makes this not so black and white and back to the rhetoic thing, back to the effect it makes.

This is a bad bi-product from failures and problems on both sides:

Why is Al Jazeera TV labeled biased against the middle east by people in the middle east as much as it is labeled anti-American by us?

If you can answer that then you can make a dent on terrorism, and no, you will have to take some action as well as diplomacy to get it under control...but it is the way you do it, not just the action you take. That is what the thread is about.

No, catching Bin Laden would not have solved all the problems but it would have dramatically changed the simpathies and 'power grid' in the middle east. Everything has now shifted a completely and unexpected way that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz were ignorant and stupid to; they did not listen to some very smart people who knew what to do. I will even say this...if we had gone a different direction there would have been a very good chance of Iran losing a lot of power because of the younger (more secular, post revolution) class of new people wanting change in that government. Now the Iranian government has great deal of anti-western simpathy even know they are not really that well liked in the first place.

You folks with your simplton outlook on "we get them before they get us" deserve to be attacked by these psychos. We are talking about a tiny tiny amount of folks (although ever-growing each day we are in Iraq) who have this radical idea that America is evil and will do anything to kill Americans. Dropping bombs and "bringing freedom" to the middle east is not going to change that mentality. Being in the middle east with thousands of troops, however, inflames the situation and makes their numbers greater.

Again, it's really simple... and there's probably nothing I can say that's going to make you see that I'm right in the end. It will take years and years and years for people in this country to get tired of this mentality of "taking it to the enemy" and change their perspective on this...