Ohh all most forgot dudes:
Osawatomie, Kansas - Official Web Site

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"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson

"The conservative movement has been hijacked and turned into a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology, which is not the conservative movement I grew up with." Pat Buchanan

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Thomas Jefferson

Brown's ultimate goal was to forment a war, not unlike Charles Manson's idea of creating a race war. While his goal of abolishing slavery was laudable his methods were illegal. William Wilberforce fought for years in England to abolish slavery and was finally successful without firing a single shot or causing the death of a single person. So unless you are saying, as Eldridge Cleaver did, that any method was acceptable John Brown was a terrorist and does not deserve to be idolized.

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Its better to have fussed and crabbed then never to have fussed at all - Lucy

Oh, and by the way, I notice that when one has a weak argument one turns to personal insults.

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Its better to have fussed and crabbed then never to have fussed at all - Lucy

Your right Tokie on the personal insults. Thats me I'm bad, sorry.............. However, once again I must say defending a state against Border Ruffians who burnt Lawrence, KS to the ground, raped, pilliged, murdered and so on...is just. Border Ruffians killed innocent lives, burnt houses to the ground, raped and pilliged. Thats terrorism! The pro Slave State Senate bet the Kansas Senator almost to death............. He was a product of his times. As far as the William Wilberforce of England, I don't believe you can compare the two. America a relative new union, good old England been around for 100s of years. I believe a you can't compare the two. If someone came over, burnt your town down, shot and killed your neighbors, beat your senator almost to death in the 19th century America, you'd probably pick up a gun too. You know what I'm saying guys.............

Charles Manson, now come on Tokie, here we go again

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"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson

"The conservative movement has been hijacked and turned into a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology, which is not the conservative movement I grew up with." Pat Buchanan

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Thomas Jefferson

It seems to me that libs are all the time blaming Bush for not doing things leagly and peacefully. You can't have it both ways, slavery while legal at the time is a very vile and centuries old history. Why didn't Brown or the goverment negoiate with the border ruffians?

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An informed voter scares the Goverment lackeys.

An American first and always a Conservative.

Well, We have NBF showing his "true" colors... You want a terrorist how about George Bush, he has killed more people than Saddam or his sons, but you stand by the bloodthirsty cocksucker.

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

Rob, they tried! this is the 1800's, you can't negotiate with someone throwing bullets at ya. A KS Senator was shit kicked in his own office in DC. That was the times and how conflict was dealt with.

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"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson

"The conservative movement has been hijacked and turned into a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology, which is not the conservative movement I grew up with." Pat Buchanan

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Thomas Jefferson

Lawrence KS was attacked and ransacked because it was the headquarters of Union troops. These troops arrested hundreds of women and children, many of whom died, because they could not capture the confederates raiders. As a result of the raid on Lawrence KS, the Union "good guys" sacked and burned over 20,000 farms in Missouri.

Just wanted to set the record straight.

BTW, the argument that Wilberforce cannot be used as an example is about the lamest argument anyone has ever posted.

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Its better to have fussed and crabbed then never to have fussed at all - Lucy

IHNR, for the most part I am going to ignore this stupid response since I will assume you broke into the Rum Ration a little early. Why don't you actually read what I post rather than immediately accuse me of racism because I don't kneel at the altar of Jesse Jackson?

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Its better to have fussed and crabbed then never to have fussed at all - Lucy

>>>And what is kooky about fomenting slave wars? Slavery sucks.