Osawatomie Brown. I'm amazed at how many black people in my area, 30 minutes from Osawatomie, have no knowledge of the Civil War. If they don't undersand that, what do you expect on topics of other issues. They as a people need to raise their level of exceptance! Am I wrong, but did they go to class? Is John Brown, Harpers Ferry not Common Knowledge?

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(1) - Its called the War of Northern Agression because of the tariffs and other economic restrictions imposed by the North that adversely affected the South, had nothing to do with who attacked who. It as also the idea that Federal troops were "occupying" Fort Sumpter in South Carolina. You really need to read more about the thinking and attitudes of the people prior to the rebellion. Many people, both north and south, believed that the states had the right to secede from the Union if they so chose. That was one of the arguments given in the Federalist Papers in order to get the states to band together. If I can join the Union I can also quit the Union was common thinking. Not everyone in the South of course wanted to secede and many, including my SN's namesake, spoke against it until the first Federal troops set foot in the Southern states. Many people foolishly believed the 10th Amendment to the Constitution meant just what it said, that the Federal government had no authority beyond what was exactly spelled out for it in the Constitution.

(2). It was not a civil war. No one in the South wanted to overthrow the Union and take control of the Union. They wanted to cease being part of the Union. They didn't care what Rhode Island did, they just didn't want Washington DC telling them how they should live. At the time I believe they were correct in the belief they could secede. But I would suggest you reseach the true meaning of "Civil War".

(3) No one is suggesting the South secede once again. Why is it not possible to speak of the past without wanting to repeat it?

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The South was part of the United States. United States Troops fought against American "seperatists".

The term civil war is realy arbitrary when comparing it to "revolutions", "insurgencies".


The Federal army occupied Fort Sumter long before the Confederate "insurgency" was in existence. It was American Property. The South Fired the First Shots, They Started the war.

Tarriffs and other crap is asinine jumping around. Like saying the predominate cause was not slavery, but states rights, nullification and so on.

If slavery was not around, the Civil War would not have been an issue, cause the Slave owners would not have had a lobby going on to protect the practice of owning Black People.

It would have been simply a struggle for States Rights and would have probably had more support than if it was subvertly about spreading slavery and protecting it's practice.

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Yeah yeah yeah
Just another illiterate posting about how the war was fought only because Southerners hated "niggers" while those moral and pious Northerners just loved the piss out of them.

The war, like most wars was an economic war. Slaves were the engine that drove the plantation economy of the South. The South wanted to keep slavery because it meant the economy would continue, pure and simple. The North in their rightous pious self had a manufacturing based economy. They didn't need slaves, hell they had the Irish. If you want to be ignorant go right ahead.

Slavery was wrong, slavery is evil but the issue was economy and nothing else.

that and the fact the Constitution has been breached almost from the first second of its existance. But who cares about the constitutioin, its just a living breathing document that can change with the wind and the lastest HBO special.

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Linclon said that he his goal was to perserve the Union, even if it meant living with slavery.

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Other than a group of Abolitionist I don't think most Northerners cared one way or the other about slavery

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