First of all the South is not continuing the war, I don't know of anyone who is seriously advocating another run at seccession. Secondly the imblioglio had several names, War of Northern Agression being one of them and my personal favorite.

It was also called. The War of Southern Secession; The War Between the States, The War of Southern Rebellion and of course The Civil War. However, it cannot be named "civil" war in the truest sense of the term. The South never wanted to change the Constitution or take over the government of the United States. It merely wanted to cease being part of the united states as it felt was its right. Note that in none of the names is it called the War of the South Against the United States, in fact the term United States is not used in any capacity in identifying this war. Prior to the war when referring to the United States it was also stated "The United States ARE" After the war it was changed to "The United States IS". It went from being a unified collection of the several states, banded together for their own mutual benefit to a centralized government with the various states having no independent existance.

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Have heard some of those before...(not this one though: The War of Southern Rebellion) very strange...they each have a connotation that is slightly different.....

So there is no resentment towards the North? You got over it now?

That was what got me going....I see lots of conservatives post to the effect of the Palestinians should "just get over it"....seemed a bit, well, hypocritical....

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IMHO the South would not have been nearly as successful as it has been if it had won the War of Northern Agression. I don't believe the South would have been very successful if it had maintained a slave economy (which was the real reason the plantation owners wanted to maintain slavery, not racism per se but the fact that the entire system was build on slave labor. Get rid of that and your economy could collapse) However, I do think the South was correct in its assessment that it could have left the Union if it so chose. No less a figure than John Adams suggested that very sentiment. Most of the Southern population did not own slaves and were not really part of the slave economy. They saw the North as a group that was taking thier wealth and giving them nothing in return. Many were not in favor of secession until the first Federal troops set foot in their state.

There is no North and South anymore. More and more we become a nomadic population and many of the South live in the North and vice versa. There certainly isn't any Antebellum Culture alive in the South any longer. There are a few who fly the Confederate Flag but I think they do so because they truly are racist not because they believe in the United "STATES" of America

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good post Nathan....

IMO, the world is becoming that same way due to transportation/communications advances....we just haven't realized yet that we need to get over the old borders....just lose the borders....become truly one world, one humanity....

You may say I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one.

some are more ready than others for sure....

(Not THE NWO, I'm for a different world order though)

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Almost all of human history has been the steady consolidation of all humans. Given the fact that if we were all, the entire world, of one mind much could be accomplished I wonder why we have not worked more and more for that. I think one reason is that would mean the end of 1000's of penny ante despots. The really really big question would be how will it all be structured. Of course I would want to see a 100% capitalistic system. Others might disagree and that is the issue in becoming one world

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I agree, that has been the direction we have been going....although pretty slowly....

Yes....that is where compromise comes in....which is often very difficult to realize....

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Its easy to compromise, as long as you have the biggest guns to force the other guy to accept your compromise

I think we are a long way off to a "One World Government" Many in these forums think Americans are the worst when it comes to intolerance but we are not systematically killing those we disagree with. Both Jonathan Swift and an unknown writer for Star Trek showed us that we will fight each other for the slightest reason. In Gullivers Travels it was the Big Endings vs the Little Endings, those who broke their softboiled eggs on the big end or the little end. It the Star Trek episode it was the two creatures who were black on one side and white on the other, except that they were mirror images of each other. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Budhist etc are not currently fighting each other over religious issues but Muslims still are, Sunni vs Shite and frankly I don't know the differnce between the two sects, do you?

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That is the historical norm, unfortunately....

I'm not sure there are "many", but there are at least some....

I believe there are current examples of all the above sects fighting each other.....at least within the last few years, with the possible exception of the Budhists.....I'll do some checking....

Not sure of the sunni/shiite differences, but I believe it had something to do with the profits "real" heir?

I don't know Nathan....people get pretty damn proud of their beliefs...
Having none of my own along those lines, it baffles me...

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Why call it the war of Northern Aggression when the Confederacy fired the first shots?

It was a civil war. The south Lost. If you want to secede again. You at least have the Industry and man power to support it now.

So go at it. Lets see what happens. I welcome armed revolution. Especially when too few of the asshat Southerners who romanticize the Civil War as a patriotic war of libereration, are a very small minority in a region that is more culturally Diverse than the Members of Groups who have a favorable view of the Confederacy.

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Dude the first and frankly who knows, but one of the first acts of agression was on the part of slave state representatives beating the fuck out of the Senator from Kansas. Put him in a hospital dude.................... Sounds like modern day South Korean politics.

Any way in retaliation, John Brown and his gang, most his sons, which he lost in his struggle against slavery walked up the Pottowatomie creek precedded eastward into Missouri and killed many. Theres the hisoric Massacare at the Maris des Cycgne. Its French for "Marsh of the swans".

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