Will Pulling Out Of Iraq Make Us Safer?

Cookie Parker · #21 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 06:00 PM

I'd be a lot more suspicious if she thought presidents lied and voted against it...

Skinny Fatts · #22 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 07:28 PM

Pulling out always makes a sticky mess.

freedomlover · #23 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_King

I almost agree with your point - however -

....... by staying there we are occupying terrorists (that are all fired up)

By staying there, we are creating another generation of terrorists.

whom other wise will get bored and go global to tackle the beast ....

They already have. Globally, terrorism is up. I would also like to point out that there were not "terrorists" Iraq before we invaded AND the people the allegedly attacked us, have rebuilt (and are even stronger in status) than before the Twin Towers came down. Al qaeda, remember them?

.... ANY of you want them in your town?

this is an absurd question. However, what exactly are we doing to keep them out of our towns?

or would it be a bit better to keep them there?

The terrorists we have the most to fear (because they have already proven a penchant for attacking the US) are presently set to take over Pakistan which has nuclear weapons. We aren't "keeping them there", but they are keeping us busy in Iraq.

Remember that they had no problem attacking the global symbol of freedom - the twin towers

Iraq had NOTHING to do with the "war on terror". They did not attack us, they did not bring down the towers. Try the Taliban, Saudi's and Alqaeda.

freedomlover · #24 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 07:56 PM

A secure Iraq NOT ran by islamic extreamists that is an ally in the war on terror as well as an tradeing partner is well worth its weight in gold. You cant put a price on freedom or human life!

Originally Posted by Smitty__________________

You have no idea/proof that this country will be our ally/trading partner before this is over with. The leadership is very cozy with Iran. Do you suppose that if Iran attacked us or vice versa, that Iraq would back us up? Not likely!

So let me be clear here Smitty. Are we safer, NO. The future looks pretty bleak because of the war in Iraq. It WILL hurt recruitment of future troops, we WILL be paying for it for YEARS, if not decades, we HAVE cut off people that were close allies, we HAVE ruined relationships with countries that may seem inconsequensial NOW, but we could use as allies in the future.

Put ALL of this together, stop thinking about just the here and now, and I truly believe that we are not making America safer (especially for the future).

Skinny Fatts · #25 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

...Problem is Russia and China are not going to put up with it , so they will either back off or
start world war 3. And it doesn't look like they plan to back off...

Don't know about Russia, but we will do whatever China wants. GWB doesn't care and they OWN Ms. Clinton and her merry band of Stalinists.

wvpeach · #26 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 10:43 PM

I could smell Bush coming as the bad news he is a mile away.

And Clinton is not different. Look at her health care plan its a give away to insurance companies just like Bush, drug plan was a give away to pharmaceutical companies. And she was lying the other noght on TV during the debates. She could care less if we bring the troops home.

Hillary is more of the same old , same old and it would be a big mistake if the DEms nominate her.

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

Why, she believed a president..why would a president lie? didn't he have all the best intelligence at hand? This was before ANYONE knew that Bush had put in a private firm to run over the CIA group..and many CIA people resigned because the data was lies...

Why would you fault a former first lady for thinking a president always told the truth?

noneof yourbusiness · #27 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 03:00 AM

Americans in Iraq are sure as hell less safe. Nothing will happen in America.

Smitty0311 · #28 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

The links...and I'm not idiot...Bush said there was reason to fear them...Bush had pictures he lied to with the UN and put it on Colin Powell a man once respected to do the lying...all have denounced his lies...even Bush has admitted them....

Who would think the president of the US would lie about this?

Sides..no one gave him permission to invade unless as a last resort...he invaded right away....

looks to me as though Hillary is just believing what Bush presented to us all before the invasion was true....BUSH turned out to be the liar...CLINTON did not reverse her opinion until his lies were exposed...

GEEEEEEEZZZZZEEE You're an idiot...

LOL. Boy your face is red! Nice try to change the subject though!

I gave you a link >The Truth About Iraq

You said

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

ROFLMAO!!!!

This is about going into AFGHANISTAN...after the TERRORISTS!!! Look at the date!!!!

Bush talked invading Iraq in 2002....

You really need to keep your stories focused, smitty...

I said

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

WOW YOUR AN IDIOT!

"There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, and that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm, and I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I have followed for more than a decade.
For now nearly 20 years, the principal reason why women and children in Iraq have suffered, is because of Saddam's leadership.
The very difficult question for all of us, is how does one bring about the disarmament of someone with such a proven track record of a commitment, if not an obsession, with weapons of mass destruction.
I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people who's opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses.
With respect to whose responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Hussein, I do not believe that given the attitudes of many people in the world community today that there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems were it not for United States leadership. And I am talking specifically about what had to be done in Bosnia and Kosovo, where my husband could not get a Security Council resolution to save the Kosovar Albanians from ethnic cleansing. And we did it alone as the United States, and we had to do it alone. It would have been far preferable if the Russians and others had agreed to do it through the United Nations -- they would not. I'm happy that, in the face of such horrible suffering, we did act."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
During a meeting with "Code Pink" at the US Capitol

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

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Now you say...

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

Who would think the president of the US would lie about this?

And I say:

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton
Address to Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff
February 17, 1998 Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq - February 17, 1998.................................................. .........

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003
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"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.
The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people."

President Clinton
Oval Office Address to the American People
December 16, 1998

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GEEZ YOUR AN IDIOT!

Cookie Parker · #29 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:54 AM

I have absolutely no reason to be red faced...I have studied this issue all along as opposed to your anti-American support of a president who wants to destroy our nation's government making him the biggest terrorist threat to our nation.

Iraq Lies

Lie By Lie

Impeach Bush - Iraq Lies

Bush Watch Home

Now, moron, if you can't figure out 1998 quotes were before the invasion, that Clinton gave Bush a follow up of the terrorist AlQaeda in this nation and Bush hired his own private CIA to discredit intelligence reports, that Clinton the Senator based on the fact her husband never lied as President (maybe as a husband), and she would have no reason to believe Bush was lying...and Bush's lies were exposed AFTER the invasion, then you're either the biggest moron I've ever run into (which is quite a title Smitty) or the biggest anti-American supporter in this nation...

Smitty0311 · #30 (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

I have absolutely no reason to be red faced...I have studied this issue all along as opposed to your anti-American support of a president who wants to destroy our nation's government making him the biggest terrorist threat to our nation.

Iraq Lies

Lie By Lie

Impeach Bush - Iraq Lies

Bush Watch Home

Now, moron, if you can't figure out 1998 quotes were before the invasion, that Clinton gave Bush a follow up of the terrorist AlQaeda in this nation and Bush hired his own private CIA to discredit intelligence reports, that Clinton the Senator based on the fact her husband never lied as President (maybe as a husband), and she would have no reason to believe Bush was lying...and Bush's lies were exposed AFTER the invasion, then you're either the biggest moron I've ever run into (which is quite a title Smitty) or the biggest anti-American supporter in this nation...

So I should be enlightend by non mainstream liberal propaganda from liberal blogger sites? Im sorry cookie. I dont visit right wing extreamist sites and I dont visit liberal extreamist sites! Im only interested in the truth! Posting politically biassed articles does nothing to help your arguement!

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

Now, moron, if you can't figure out 1998 quotes were before the invasion, that Clinton gave Bush a follow up of the terrorist AlQaeda in this nation and Bush hired his own private CIA to discredit intelligence reports, that Clinton the Senator based on the fact her husband never lied as President (maybe as a husband), and she would have no reason to believe Bush was lying...and Bush's lies were exposed AFTER the invasion, then you're either the biggest moron I've ever run into (which is quite a title Smitty) or the biggest anti-American supporter in this nation...

So your saying that Bush talking about WMD's is a lie but it is Ok for Clinton? You called bush a liar for this reason! Dont try to change the subject again cookie!

CLINTON NEVER EMPLEMENTED ANY STRATEGY TO GO AFTER ALQUIEDA OR ANY OTHER TERRORSIT ORGANISATION AFTER REPEATED ATTACKS! BUSH DID!