Will Pulling Out Of Iraq Make Us Safer?

wvpeach · #11 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 03:58 PM

We went to war in Iraq as a staging ground to attack Iran . The US is planning to take Iran and Syrria out for Israel and secure the oil fields in Iran and Iraq for the US.

Problem is Russia and China are not going to put up with it , so they will either back off or
start world war 3. And it doesn't look like they plan to back off.

This is why went to war in iraq smitty , and if terrorists wanted to hit us here in the US there is nothing stopping them. Come on now do you really think they would not just walk into a school or a hospital and blow themselves up? They can do this anytime they want , and I am sure one day will. The war has nothing to do with terrorism . If it did it would be just as big a priority to close our borders and deport people who have over stayed visa's and its obviously not because the borders are wide open and they won't deport anybody . Its about Israel and oil.

Even a school child can see that.

Smitty0311 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

We went to war in Iraq as a staging ground to attack Iran . The US is planning to take Iran and Syrria out for Israel and secure the oil fields in Iran and Iraq for the US.

Problem is Russia and China are not going to put up with it , so they will either back off or
start world war 3. And it doesn't look like they plan to back off.

This is why went to war in iraq smitty , and if terrorists wanted to hit us here in the US there is nothing stopping them. Come on now do you really think they would not just walk into a school or a hospital and blow themselves up? They can do this anytime they want , and I am sure one day will. The war has nothing to do with terrorism . If it did it would be just as big a priority to close our borders and deport people who have over stayed visa's and its obviously not because the borders are wide open and they won't deport anybody . Its about Israel and oil.

Even a school child can see that.

If that were a fact then why did these people vote for war with iraq? The Truth About Iraq

Remember that republicans want the wall! Liberals want amnisty! Just ask the ACLU about that one!

wvpeach · #13 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 04:24 PM

Because Clinton and Bush are on the same team. Geez how many times do you have to be told that before you grasp it smitty? Bush is already giving Hillary advice on how to keep the troops in iraq when she takes office which is really scary because that means she may have already been decreed the next president. I bet the people that yank both their chains wish they had chosen somebody besides Bush because he cannot keep his mouth shut.

Republicans want the wall? what in the world does immigration have to do with pulling out of Iraq?

But in any case you would be wrong on that point. On immigration republicans and Democrats are just alike. They all want cheap labor and to bust the unions so both Dems and REp's want illegals . Oh sure some will say they want a wall. Come on now I built homes for 15 years . I know something about building. Along our 2100 mile with Mexico a wall would be close to finished if anybody in Washington really wanted it. Put the army core of engineers on it and its a done deal. Presto wall in about 3 years. But its not being done because nobody in Washington wants it.

Smitty you are either the most gullible person I have ever met, or just very non observant. I am glad you made it back from Iraq with your head intact.

Cookie Parker · #14 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_King

I almost agree with your point - however -

....... by staying there we are occupying terrorists (that are all fired up)

whom other wise will get bored and go global to tackle the beast ....

.... ANY of you want them in your town?

or would it be a bit better to keep them there?

Remember that they had no problem attacking the global symbol of freedom - the twin towers

But we aren't securing our borders at all...so if you think that the terrorists are limiting themselves to the MIddle East, think again. The only ones in the Middle East are Iraqis vying for power...

Terrorist attacks worldwide rose sharply in 2006 - US

We are no more safer now than BEFORE 9/11...at least Clinton Caught the people who bombed the twin towers...Bush walked away from bin Laden and ignored him so he could increase his attacks worldwide...

Fact Sheet: Combating Terrorism Worldwide

Even the White House notices the increases for the world...Bush has recruited anti Israeli-American forces all over...we are NOT safer...

Cookie Parker · #15 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

If that were a fact then why did these people vote for war with iraq? The Truth About Iraq

Remember that republicans want the wall! Liberals want amnisty! Just ask the ACLU about that one!

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"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
September 13, 2001 WavSource: September 11 Terrorism 2

ROFLMAO!!!!

This is about going into AFGHANISTAN...after the TERRORISTS!!! Look at the date!!!!

Bush talked invading Iraq in 2002....

You really need to keep your stories focused, smitty...

Smitty0311 · #16 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

ROFLMAO!!!!

This is about going into AFGHANISTAN...after the TERRORISTS!!! Look at the date!!!!

Bush talked invading Iraq in 2002....

You really need to keep your stories focused, smitty...

WOW YOUR AN IDIOT!

"There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, and that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm, and I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I have followed for more than a decade.
For now nearly 20 years, the principal reason why women and children in Iraq have suffered, is because of Saddam's leadership.
The very difficult question for all of us, is how does one bring about the disarmament of someone with such a proven track record of a commitment, if not an obsession, with weapons of mass destruction.
I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people who's opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses.
With respect to whose responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Hussein, I do not believe that given the attitudes of many people in the world community today that there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems were it not for United States leadership. And I am talking specifically about what had to be done in Bosnia and Kosovo, where my husband could not get a Security Council resolution to save the Kosovar Albanians from ethnic cleansing. And we did it alone as the United States, and we had to do it alone. It would have been far preferable if the Russians and others had agreed to do it through the United Nations -- they would not. I'm happy that, in the face of such horrible suffering, we did act."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
During a meeting with "Code Pink" at the US Capitol

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

wvpeach · #17 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:07 PM

Smitty if it was true that the government in iran is funding insurgents in iraq and giving them weapons don't you think they could afford to send some on a trip to the US? What's it going to cost to send 10 people here ? $100,000? Maybe.

And don't tell me we would not allow Iranian's in or Iraqi"s that is true for the normal Joe. But London broke up a supposed terror cell that was doctors and scientists. I know a Iranian doctor well that lives in the US and travels back and forth to Iran a couple times a year .

Whats to keep them from coming here and hitting us if that is what they want to do it smitty?

The truth is this whole war on terror is a diversion, to mask the real target which is Iran and Syrria and heaven help us we may be about to enter world war three.

Cookie Parker · #18 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

WOW YOUR AN IDIOT!

"There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, and that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm, and I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I have followed for more than a decade.
For now nearly 20 years, the principal reason why women and children in Iraq have suffered, is because of Saddam's leadership.
The very difficult question for all of us, is how does one bring about the disarmament of someone with such a proven track record of a commitment, if not an obsession, with weapons of mass destruction.
I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people who's opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses.
With respect to whose responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Hussein, I do not believe that given the attitudes of many people in the world community today that there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems were it not for United States leadership. And I am talking specifically about what had to be done in Bosnia and Kosovo, where my husband could not get a Security Council resolution to save the Kosovar Albanians from ethnic cleansing. And we did it alone as the United States, and we had to do it alone. It would have been far preferable if the Russians and others had agreed to do it through the United Nations -- they would not. I'm happy that, in the face of such horrible suffering, we did act."
Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
During a meeting with "Code Pink" at the US Capitol

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

The links...and I'm not idiot...Bush said there was reason to fear them...Bush had pictures he lied to with the UN and put it on Colin Powell a man once respected to do the lying...all have denounced his lies...even Bush has admitted them....

Who would think the president of the US would lie about this?

Sides..no one gave him permission to invade unless as a last resort...he invaded right away....

looks to me as though Hillary is just believing what Bush presented to us all before the invasion was true....BUSH turned out to be the liar...CLINTON did not reverse her opinion until his lies were exposed...

GEEEEEEEZZZZZEEE You're an idiot...

wvpeach · #19 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:24 PM

The truth is cookie we should not trust anybody who did vote for this war. I certainly don't trust Clinton.

Cookie Parker · #20 (**permalink**) 10-08-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

The truth is cookie we should not trust anybody who did vote for this war. I certainly don't trust Clinton.

Why, she believed a president..why would a president lie? didn't he have all the best intelligence at hand? This was before ANYONE knew that Bush had put in a private firm to run over the CIA group..and many CIA people resigned because the data was lies...

Why would you fault a former first lady for thinking a president always told the truth?