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Old 08-05-2007, 10:44 PM
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I see by the absence of any threads so far, everyone is real excited about our new home-run king.
What a proud and shining moment for baseball!
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:00 PM
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I see by the absence of any threads so far, everyone is real excited about our new home-run king.
What a proud and shining moment for baseball!
I consider the Tom Glavine 300th game win today a bit more difficult to achieve. Because of how the game has changed we may never see another Tom Glavine/Tom Seaver/Nolan Ryan/Roger Clemens ever again.

At the pace A Rod is hitting at his age he will pass Bonds on the HR list. Pujols is another one that is a better hitter also, I am not sure Bonds measures up to the two other hitters steriods or not.
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Old 08-06-2007, 12:41 AM
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I can see Alex destroying the record (if his health holds up). Junior would have been up there as well. Unfortunately for him, this has been the one year he has been truly healthy for a change.
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:24 AM
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I can see Alex destroying the record (if his health holds up). Junior would have been up there as well. Unfortunately for him, this has been the one year he has been truly healthy for a change.
Never been much of an A-Rod fan but to hit 500 at his age is amazing. He has , what, 36 or so this year? He may be the next one to watch.
How many does Pujols have for the season/career?
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:33 AM
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Not much of a baseball fan but can't help but think Bond's does not deserve the title. Why not just put in a computer chip and create a batting robot? Its like those players that have surgery to increase their performance. Is this really what "sports" is all about - to win at any cost?
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:01 AM
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I see by the absence of any threads so far, everyone is real excited about our new home-run king.
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Yeah, I'm not all that excited about it...it is what it is. Barry Bonds may replace Hammerin Hank a top the home run list....but, he won't replace him as a man and a legend....nor the Babe for that matter.
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:15 AM
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I consider the Tom Glavine 300th game win today a bit more difficult to achieve. Because of how the game has changed we may never see another Tom Glavine/Tom Seaver/Nolan Ryan/Roger Clemens ever again.

At the pace A Rod is hitting at his age he will pass Bonds on the HR list. Pujols is another one that is a better hitter also, I am not sure Bonds measures up to the two other hitters steriods or not.
There will be other great pitchers...as great as those mentioned above...but, it will be much harder to get 300 wins....less starts per year and less chance of a decision per start.

This is my take, CM. If you take everything Bonds had done at face value, he is most certainly one of the top three or four players (non-pitchers) of all time....and you could argue the greatest of all time. He sits along side Ruth, Wagner, and Williams (I throw Ted in there because he lost 5 prime years to military service). Of course, the Babe, Hounus, and Ted didn't get to have a second peak in their career.

If you negate most of what Bonds has accomplished since 2000 (and let his career decline normally), then he is probably top 15 or 20. He was already a great player in the late 80s and early 90s. In fact, I would still take him over ARod (more walks, more SB). Pujols is still on his way up....give him another five years or so to start comparing him to the other greats.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:24 PM
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There will be other great pitchers...as great as those mentioned above...but, it will be much harder to get 300 wins....less starts per year and less chance of a decision per start.

This is my take, CM. If you take everything Bonds had done at face value, he is most certainly one of the top three or four players (non-pitchers) of all time....and you could argue the greatest of all time. He sits along side Ruth, Wagner, and Williams (I throw Ted in there because he lost 5 prime years to military service). Of course, the Babe, Hounus, and Ted didn't get to have a second peak in their career.

If you negate most of what Bonds has accomplished since 2000 (and let his career decline normally), then he is probably top 15 or 20. He was already a great player in the late 80s and early 90s. In fact, I would still take him over ARod (more walks, more SB). Pujols is still on his way up....give him another five years or so to start comparing him to the other greats.
Bonds has accomplished a number of things, I agree. I cannot deny it. I guess I just have been very unattracted as a fan to watch Bonds and follow him. That is just me though. He is not a Cardinal or with the Red Sox, and has played a number of years with a team who is the arch rival of the Dodgers; I grew up a Dodger fan in the Don Sutton, Steve Garvey, Manny Mota days.

SN, my gripe is with baseball itself and always will be. As I have said before, Mountain Landis cleaned up the game after the Black Sox problem about 90 years ago but in turn it gave baseball a pass card for many years to come. They work by thier own rules and have kept themselves seperate and in denial about steriod use. "US(?)...USE SERIODS(?)....YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING..." They have allowed it themselves. Bonds is still guilty in this but he is only one of many who have done this as per BB looking the other way.
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He has 756 no matter how it is viewed.

He has said in the recent past that he has alot to say after he passes 755, whatever that means.
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:32 PM
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He has 756 no matter how it is viewed.

He has said in the recent past that he has alot to say after he passes 755, whatever that means.
I think that was a knee jerk reaction to all the heat he was taking at the time.
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