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10-04-2006, 09:52 PM
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This guy isn't close to being in the top three pitchers of all time, and probably not in the top ten or fifteen in the past 25 years, but I will mention him because he does not get enough credit. When I was thinking of pitchers I started thinking about him, because he did win the big games.
Jack Morris. He won the WS with three different teams (Detroit, Minnesota, Toronto). He had high ERA's but he pitched in hitters ballparks. This guy should get more respect because he went out there and gave you 240+ innings. He not only won games, but he saved his teams bullpens. Jack Morris is why you can't always look at just numbers like ERA. He pitched deep into games and gave up a few runs in doing so. In a big game, I wouldn't hesitate to pitch Morris over a guy with dazzling numbers, he was a gamer.
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10-04-2006, 10:17 PM
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No particular order
1) Ron Guidy
2) Roger Clemens
3) Bob Gibson
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10-04-2006, 10:50 PM
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Morris is a good one to talk about. You make a great point.
There is guy who sits there for me that doesn't get mentioned, one of my favs...Jim Palmer...he was not in my list or my runner up but he was fantastic. Can you even think of the Orioles being able as dominant as they were in the 60's and 70's without him?
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Post-Season: 1966 World Series, 1969 ALCS, 1969 World Series, 1970 ALCS, 1970 World Series, 1971 ALCS, 1971 World Series, 1973 ALCS, 1974 ALCS, 1979 ALCS, 1979 World Series, 1983 World Series
...His impressive numbers include 268 victories, a .638 winning percentage, eight 20-win seasons and a 2.86 ERA over 19 seasons. He also pitched his entire career without allowing a grand slam. Intensity was the trademark of this three-time Cy Young Award winner, who combined intelligence, strength, competitiveness and consistency to become the Orioles' all-time winningest pitcher.
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Ron Guidry is another impressive pitcher...thanks ken...
here is my "I would love to put them in the three but just can't" list...
Steve Carlton
Bob Gibson
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Dizzy Dean
Catfish Hunter
Bob Lemon
Christy Mathewson
Satchel Paige
Gaylord Perry
Don Sutton
Rollie Fingers
Vida Blue
Frank Tanana
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10-04-2006, 10:58 PM
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I would also like to put Orel Herschiser but he doesnt quite make the cut, but he gave me my first great baseball memories
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10-04-2006, 11:16 PM
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If we really wanted to consider dominant pitchers over the long haul, we are leaving out closers. Mariano Rivera is the epitome of dominant. He throws one pitch and still gets you out, no trickery needed. And he is a proven winner. Relievers are always left off any list like this. Eckersley was real tough for a number of years as well (Kirk Gibson was a fluke, and a great scouting report - Lasorda said that they knew he was going to throw the slider). Sorry about the Gibson comment Ken.
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10-04-2006, 11:16 PM
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I would also like to put Orel Herschiser but he doesnt quite make the cut, but he gave me my first great baseball memories
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He is a good one too...tough to leave him off, hard as nails on the mound.
Hey, look at the list I have and it does re-enforce somthing I did not even think of that I talked to a buddy of mine about on the phone last night.
We were trying to come up with single seaon teams that were as dominant as the White Sox from last year. This is what we came up with.
'84 Tigers
'73 A's (72-74 really)
That A's pitching staff had not one but TWO hall of famers (Hunter and Fingers)...and Vida Blue was on that staff too.
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10-04-2006, 11:20 PM
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If we really wanted to consider dominant pitchers over the long haul, we are leaving out closers. Mariano Rivera is the epitome of dominant. He throws one pitch and still gets you out, no trickery needed. And he is a proven winner. Relievers are always left off any list like this. Eckersley was real tough for a number of years as well (Kirk Gibson was a fluke, and a great scouting report - Lasorda said that they knew he was going to throw the slider). Sorry about the Gibson comment Ken.
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Eckersley did make the hall of fame and Bruce Sutter is another and made it too I think... |
10-04-2006, 11:20 PM
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1998 Yankees. 114-48 in regular season.
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10-04-2006, 11:21 PM
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AHh Rollie Fingers was a good one!
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10-04-2006, 11:31 PM
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1998 Yankees. 114-48 in regular season.
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...you caught up with my absolute hate of the Yankees but you argue a good point...I still say the White Sox were a more dominant team in the post season last year than the Yanks were in the year you mention...Yes, the NYY are the BASEBALL team of all time but please let me pretend for just a minute they don't exist...
Honestly, they will probably do it this year...oh well...  |
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