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Old 10-03-2006, 11:10 AM
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How many people think Pujols will ever see a pitch to hit with someone on? Any pitcher who gives him anything should be fined. If they advance it will be on his back in my opinion. One big hit by Pujols may get the Cards going, and like you said, the NL doesn't have a dominant team and the Cards may just get hot enough to make it to the WS. Once there, anything can happen.
I just think the Cards will be at the bar watching the NLCS with the Tigers.
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Old 10-03-2006, 11:11 AM
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It seems like every team has major problems these days. Most years I'd say the Yankees don't have enough pitching to win. My $$$ is on the Twins.

Yea but they lost a shut-down pitcher to injury.
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:41 PM
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Cards 5, Padres 1 (in San Diego BTW)

Pujols gets two, one of them a HR

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Scoring Summary

Top of 4
- Pujols homered to center on a full count, Duncan scored.
- Encarnacion hit a sacrifice fly to left fielder Roberts, Edmonds scored.

Top of 5
- Edmonds singled to center, Eckstein scored, Pujols to third.

Top of 6
- Molina singled to center, Belliard scored.

Bottom of 6
- Giles hit a sacrifice fly to center fielder Edmonds, Roberts scored.
My confidence is up a bit...I hope they don't crush me but we will see...

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How many people think Pujols will ever see a pitch to hit with someone on? Any pitcher who gives him anything should be fined. If they advance it will be on his back in my opinion. One big hit by Pujols may get the Cards going, and like you said, the NL doesn't have a dominant team and the Cards may just get hot enough to make it to the WS. Once there, anything can happen.
Albert in the forth..."C'mon guys, hop on, let's get going!"

This guy is awsome...who else can do this? He singled handedly knocked the Astros out of the playoffs...he might do it to the Padres, just amazing. NOBODY can pitch to PUJOLS!!! Can I make a trade in my 'best of' post from Ted Williams to Albert Pujols now?

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Old 10-03-2006, 08:05 PM
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You usually have to get Pujols early in the count. You let him see six pitches in one at bat and you are asking for trouble. If you are the opposing pitcher, you make anybody but Pujols beat you.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:16 PM
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You usually have to get Pujols early in the count. You let him see six pitches in one at bat and you are asking for trouble. If you are the opposing pitcher, you make anybody but Pujols beat you.
Albert Pujols:

Best eye

Most mature swing (no hitch or BS in the motion, just minimal and straight through the ball)

No wasted steps at the ball

THE VERY BEST form from the hips to shoulders, and follow through

Very patient for HIS pitch

Maybe the best natural hitter since Ted Williams, but Pujols has unbelievable power compared to Williams.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:34 PM
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woa. there.......Ted Williams was the best hitter ever bar none........nobody else has even come close
I love Pujols but comparing him to Ted Williams is a stretch
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:47 PM
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I realize the pitchers may be a little better now than they were in Williams day, but they probably do not throw that much harder. I have watched old games on ESPN Classics and other similar channels, like the old Yankee games when Mantle played. The thing people like Mantle and Williams had to deal with was a strike zone which was around the chest. Give even the bad pitchers in the league right now the strike around the chest and watch the BA's and HR's plummet. Not too many people can handle 90+ around the letters. Williams did. Maybe Pujols can as well, but he doesn't have to since it is not called any more.

The hitters have gotten bigger and the strike zone has gotten smaller. Plus the mound was lowered to 10 inches. Watch the old Cardinal games and see big Bob Gibson on top of a monster of a mound. Virtually impossible to turn on that downhill fastball when it is on. Doesn't seem fair to compare eras.

But I wouldn't discount Pujols being considered the best hitter ever before it is all over. He doesn't miss too many pitches.

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Old 10-03-2006, 10:44 PM
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We are talking about two of my guys here...they both know/knew the science of hitting. With TW it is VERY difficult to argue against the guy when we is the last .400 hitter...actually Rod Carew might be the closest to those stats.

TW said on several occasions that he could '...see the seams of the ball coming at me off the mound,' like things were going in slow motion for him. Well, I have always believed that because he could tell you the exact motion of his swing a what is a productive motion and what is anti-productive motion ina swing.

Ken.e...Pujols has all this down like Williams did and Dom could be right, we have to see in the future. I would never try and take anything away from our buddy Ted...

...side bar...(Hook em horns!) Huston Street closed out the Twins for the A's today...the guy who won the CWS for my alma mater (those were some great CWS games he pitched) ...so when are the Cards going to get some more closers like Street? That damn St Louis GM needs to open his checkbook...
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Old 10-05-2006, 07:54 PM
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Albert '...c'mon guys hop on again, no big deal, I'll carty ya' over the line again...'...and the pitching shut SD down...

Hmmm, wow, they might get some momentum going here...

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- Pujols singled to left, Wilson scored.
- Edmonds infield single to second, Pujols scored.
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