best current hitter?

cat's meow · #1 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 01:36 AM

Ramirez or Pujols?

Manny Ramirez is now at 500 homers and .313 lifetime avg.

Like Pujols he has a phenomenal eye for a pitch, who is better right now?

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The 500-home run club has only two dozen members, but Ramirez also joined an even smaller fraternity. He is only the seventh player in baseball history with 500 homers, 1,500 RBIs, 1,000 walks, 475 doubles and a .300 batting average. The others are Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Mel Ott, Babe Ruth, Frank Thomas and Ted Williams.

wow · #2 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Ramirez or Pujols?

Manny Ramirez is now at 500 homers and .313 lifetime avg.

Like Pujols he has a phenomenal eye for a pitch, who is better right now?

Pujols: .490 OBP, .369 BA, 19 Ks.

Ramirez: .369 OBP, .286 BA, 50 Ks.

Pujols, hands down!

Pujols doesn't get the publicity he deserves because he is playing in a smaller TV market in St. Louis.

graybeard · #3 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wow

Pujols: .490 OBP, .369 BA, 19 Ks.

Ramirez: .369 OBP, .286 BA, 50 Ks.

Pujols, hands down!

Pujols doesn't get the publicity he deserves because he is playing in a smaller TV market in St. Louis.

Between the 2 Puljos, but Lance Berkman is having a better year than both.

BA HR RBI OBP SLG
.385 17 47 .471 .751

cat's meow · #4 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

Pujols: .490 OBP, .369 BA, 19 Ks.

Ramirez: .369 OBP, .286 BA, 50 Ks.

Pujols, hands down!

Pujols doesn't get the publicity he deserves because he is playing in a smaller TV market in St. Louis.

Hmmm...even in basebal you twist things. I am talking about the stats over the long term.

I am a giant Pujols fan, I watched him here in Memphis when he started with the Rebirds before he was called up. Ramirez is impressive as a hitter but I know Pujols is the better all round player up and down (has won Golden Gloves also). Pujols is one of the most intelligent guys on the baseball field today, his physical prowess is second to none; amazing hitter to see live. If he stays healthy he will be in the Hall of Fame for sure. Most of all he is very humble/the consumate team player, he is worth every dollar the Cards pay for him right now. Pitchers are scared s*itless when he comes to the plate. But, unlike the Red Sox, Pujols does not have a complete team around him at this point in the year (they are younger and have not played together enough) and may not be able to overcome how hot the Cubs have become...I have no doubt Ramirez will play in post season again this year, the Red Sox are awsome. Cards are in a real dogfight for their division.

The market for St. Louis comes all the way down through here (easily) because of the AAA ties. The Cards do not promote their team and their players like other teams, they are pretty old school when it comes right down to it. On the East and West Coasts it is more the 'Hollywood' approach to get the word out. Look at the last two televised championships (ratings) for the NBA, MLB, and NFL and you will see what I am talking about.

wow · #5 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Hmmm...even in basebal you twist things. I am talking about the stats over the long term.

I am a giant Pujols fan, I watched him here in Memphis when he started with the Rebirds before he was called up. Ramirez is impressive as a hitter but I know Pujols is the better all round player up and down (has won Golden Gloves also). Pujols is one of the most intelligent guys on the baseball field today, his physical prowess is second to none; amazing hitter to see live. If he stays healthy he will be in the Hall of Fame for sure. Most of all he is very humble/the consumate team player, he is worth every dollar the Cards pay for him right now. Pitchers are scared s*itless when he comes to the plate. But, unlike the Red Sox, Pujols does not have a complete team around him at this point in the year (they are younger and have not played together enough) and may not be able to overcome how hot the Cubs have become...I have no doubt Ramirez will play in post season again this year, the Red Sox are awsome. Cards are in a real dogfight for their division.

The market for St. Louis comes all the way down through here (easily) because of the AAA ties. The Cards do not promote their team and their players like other teams, they are pretty old school when it comes right down to it. On the East and West Coasts it is more the 'Hollywood' approach to get the word out. Look at the last two televised championships (ratings) for the NBA, MLB, and NFL and you will see what I am talking about.

Like Pujols he has a phenomenal eye for a pitch, who is better right now?
I was responding to the above.
Do you remember typing this?

Dom1 · #6 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Hmmm...even in basebal you twist things. I am talking about the stats over the long term.

I am a giant Pujols fan, I watched him here in Memphis when he started with the Rebirds before he was called up. Ramirez is impressive as a hitter but I know Pujols is the better all round player up and down (has won Golden Gloves also). Pujols is one of the most intelligent guys on the baseball field today, his physical prowess is second to none; amazing hitter to see live. If he stays healthy he will be in the Hall of Fame for sure. Most of all he is very humble/the consumate team player, he is worth every dollar the Cards pay for him right now. Pitchers are scared s*itless when he comes to the plate. But, unlike the Red Sox, Pujols does not have a complete team around him at this point in the year (they are younger and have not played together enough) and may not be able to overcome how hot the Cubs have become...I have no doubt Ramirez will play in post season again this year, the Red Sox are awsome. Cards are in a real dogfight for their division.

The market for St. Louis comes all the way down through here (easily) because of the AAA ties. The Cards do not promote their team and their players like other teams, they are pretty old school when it comes right down to it. On the East and West Coasts it is more the 'Hollywood' approach to get the word out. Look at the last two televised championships (ratings) for the NBA, MLB, and NFL and you will see what I am talking about.

WTF???? He answered the question you asked with his opinion and I didn't see any "twist" at all.

I would say Pujols also, long term stats can't be used because Pujols hasn't played that long. If you do want to use long term stats then among recent players it would easily be Barry Bonds. As far as guys playing this year then it would be Alex Rodriguez

But Pujols will put up better numbers than both of them before his career is over.

wow · #7 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 10:54 AM

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WTF???? He answered the question you asked with his opinion and I didn't see any "twist" at all.

I would say Pujols also, long term stats can't be used because Pujols hasn't played that long. If you do want to use long term stats then among recent players it would easily be Barry Bonds. As far as guys playing this year then it would be Alex Rodriguez

But Pujols will put up better numbers than both of them before his career is over.

She is upset because I do not accept her racism against white skin.

Dom1 · #8 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 12:57 PM

I think one of the most amazing things about Pujols is that he doesn't swing through pitches to often. A couple of years ago, during the second half of the season, Pujols was playing in the World Series and they said he swung through eight total pitches the second half of the season. Amazing.

cat's meow · #9 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 01:00 PM

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She is upset because I do not accept her racism against white skin.

Hey numbnut...she is a he. So, that is the next thing you have wrong.

Right now means RIGHT now and Rameriz is hot at the plate, he did it again last night, the guy is at 501---he proved my point again. I repeat, Pujols is probably the best all around player in the big leagues but Ramirez is a giant asset to the Red Sox and there is no one hotter at the plate RIGHT NOW.

Don't be an ass about other threads you have lost and have no idea what you are talking about BTW, I don't seem to remember talking about race in this thread...and I am white, if you did not understand.

cat's meow · #10 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I think one of the most amazing things about Pujols is that he doesn't swing through pitches to often. A couple of years ago, during the second half of the season, Pujols was playing in the World Series and they said he swung through eight total pitches the second half of the season. Amazing.

Dom, this is the big thing about Pujols. As you know, being the BB expert you are, a pitcher counts on FOOLING the hitter...not always throwing strikes. Albert IS NOT fooled easily, his eye and his processing of spacial information coming at him is too good/too quick/too sophisticated. I saw an interview on 'Cards pre-game' the other day with Albert at the batting cage with the interviewer. Holy crap, he is like the next Ted Williams. Pujols really thinks through this stuff before he gets to the plate, once there it all happens quickly for him. He is really a big observer of what is going on all the time, this is the guy you want to be on a team with. He is amazing. Makes me want to 15 again and playing baseball and trying to figure all this out myself, very inspiring guy the way Rob Carew was for me when I was a kid.