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01-03-2008, 09:10 AM
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Oklahoma routed
Last nights beat down of Oklahoma by WVU left me wondering. Is WVU's offense that good? Or is Oklahoma's defense that bad?
On consecutive drives in the 4th quarter WVU went 79 yards in 1 play, then after an Oklahoma score, went 65 yards in 2 plays. Oklahoma's defense was exposed in this game, just as it was last year by Boise St.
Oklahoma has now lost 4 straight BCS games. Whatever Bob Stoops is doing, may work in the Big 12, but the rest of the country has got him all figured out.
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01-03-2008, 09:16 AM
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Penalties anyone?
You think the fact that they didn't call any penalties on wvu the first three quarters of the game had something to do with it?
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01-03-2008, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by agent99
You think the fact that they didn't call any penalties on wvu the first three quarters of the game had something to do with it?
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WVU had 526 total yards, 349 yards rushing, a Fiesta Bowl record. I guess the penalties did that too.
Total penalty yardage
WVU-110 yds
Oklahoma-115 yds
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01-03-2008, 09:42 AM
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If you were watching on the tube, you saw obvious penalty violations by wvu that weren't called. I am an OU fan, however I will admit they haven't done shit since 2000 in a bowl game, think maybe it's time for Stoops to retire. WVU deserved to win the game, there is no doubt about it and I liked the whole underdog thing myself, so regardless of the fact on the penalty situation, they did play the better game
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01-03-2008, 11:36 AM
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I don't believe I've ever witnessed a team with more overall speed and quickness than WVU. Maybe a couple of the Miami teams of yesteryear.
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01-03-2008, 01:56 PM
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Hmmm? Chokelahoma hasn't been the same on defense since Stoops' brother left.
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01-03-2008, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
Last nights beat down of Oklahoma by WVU left me wondering. Is WVU's offense that good? Or is Oklahoma's defense that bad?
On consecutive drives in the 4th quarter WVU went 79 yards in 1 play, then after an Oklahoma score, went 65 yards in 2 plays. Oklahoma's defense was exposed in this game, just as it was last year by Boise St.
Oklahoma has now lost 4 straight BCS games. Whatever Bob Stoops is doing, may work in the Big 12, but the rest of the country has got him all figured out.
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I've always felt I was a connoisseur of football strategy but I still can't fathom how a 3-3-5 defense can stop a power running offense. The only thing that can come to mind is that Oklahoma doesn't use any zone blocking, but I don't even see why you'd need it against a 3-3-5. The guards would be un-blocked so you could pull them for sweeps and counters. In the I-formation, you could use your fullback to pick up the DL or LB if they rush through the pulled man's gap. Once your guard (or guards, if you are risky) are freed, you have a 300+ lb guard going up against a linebacker or safety, and that is a mismatch the 300+ lb guard will always win. All in all, it adds up to 7+ YAC for Oklahoma but they got stumped. 4.1 YAC was all they could muster.
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01-03-2008, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg Howdy
I've always felt I was a connoisseur of football strategy but I still can't fathom how a 3-3-5 defense can stop a power running offense. The only thing that can come to mind is that Oklahoma doesn't use any zone blocking, but I don't even see why you'd need it against a 3-3-5. The guards would be un-blocked so you could pull them for sweeps and counters. In the I-formation, you could use your fullback to pick up the DL or LB if they rush through the pulled man's gap. Once your guard (or guards, if you are risky) are freed, you have a 300+ lb guard going up against a linebacker or safety, and that is a mismatch the 300+ lb guard will always win. All in all, it adds up to 7+ YAC for Oklahoma but they got stumped. 4.1 YAC was all they could muster.
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One of the 5's comes up like a strong safety and plays in the box. It makes it so there are seven in the box, think of Bob Sanders with the Colts.
These guys aren't high schoolers. They have tremendous speed and at least two safetys can come up and play the run. Again, see Bob Sanders as the best example.
Zone blocking wouldn't make a difference. The zone blocking scheme just allows tailbacks to pick their hole or lane rather than be required to run to a predetermined hole.
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01-03-2008, 08:35 PM
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One of the 5's comes up like a strong safety and plays in the box. It makes it so there are seven in the box, think of Bob Sanders with the Colts.
These guys aren't high schoolers. They have tremendous speed and at least two safetys can come up and play the run. Again, see Bob Sanders as the best example.
Zone blocking wouldn't make a difference. The zone blocking scheme just allows tailbacks to pick their hole or lane rather than be required to run to a predetermined hole.
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Zone blocking is more than that, it allows for better penetration by the OL through the gaps of a DL and then they can block linebackers easier. A 3-4 is troublesome for zone blocking schemes but a 3-3-5 only uses 3 linebackers (obviously) and eliminates the issues that arise from blocking a 3-4. IMO blocking a 3-3-5 would be no different from blocking a 4-3 except you wouldn't have to delay the downfield blocking assignments and you would have instant penetration right from the snap. This allows for more players to be blocked and a better running game.
Also, no disses to WVU secondary but if you replace a 3-4 linebacker with a safety (thus creating the 3-3-5) that just means 1 smaller player to block. It's not going to be harder to block because the safety is smaller and despite speed the safety will not have the ability to burst through past the fullback or TE and make a play in the backfield. Safeties won't be able to see past the horde of linemen.
Either way, it doesn't make much sense why Oklahoma failed to execute the power running game.
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01-03-2008, 08:38 PM
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Ok, I am a Sooner fan but it looked like to me that WV was better prepared for the game, but don't get stupid Stoops has created a home will stay at OU.
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