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01-03-2008, 08:41 PM
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Are you kidding I am a WVU fan it would be wrong of me to rub it in.
better luck next time guys.
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01-03-2008, 08:44 PM
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Ok, I am a Sooner fan but it looked like to me that WV was better prepared for the game, but don't get stupid Stoops has created a home will stay at OU.
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I agree, Stoops is a good coach but (as Lou Holtz pointed out earlier today) he lacks the ability to prepare against speedy teams. The sugar bowl against LSU was close, and the Boise State game was the best game I've ever seen, but the USC blowout and this recent WVU blowout are signs that he is not good at preparing for finesse teams.
If they didn't win the Big 12 every year then Bob Stoops would be fired, because the Big 12 bowl game scheduling typically results in them playing speedy schools from the Pac 10 and SEC.
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01-03-2008, 08:52 PM
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Zone blocking is more than that, it allows for better penetration by the OL through the gaps of a DL and then they can block linebackers easier. A 3-4 is troublesome for zone blocking schemes but a 3-3-5 only uses 3 linebackers (obviously) and eliminates the issues that arise from blocking a 3-4. IMO blocking a 3-3-5 would be no different from blocking a 4-3 except you wouldn't have to delay the downfield blocking assignments and you would have instant penetration right from the snap. This allows for more players to be blocked and a better running game.
Either way, it doesn't make much sense why Oklahoma failed to execute the power running game.
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A 3-3-5 turns into a 3-4 on different plays. The safety just sneaks up and plays the linebacker spot.
Much of zone blocking is doubleteaming defensive linemen so the downfield blocking is no more prevelant than in drive blocking. In fact, since they doubleteam in a zone scheme then the downfield block is going to be delayed anyway. It isn't like anyone plays a five man front anymore so there will always be an offensive lineman uncovered to hit that downfield block.
Zone blocking is no better than another blocking scheme. It is used mainly when you have an undersized line that can't drive block larger defensive players.
How does zone blocking allow for better penetration from the OL? Drive blocking requires uncovered OL to do the same. No blocking system allows for OL to reach a LB quicker. In fact, an uncovered OL on playside usually has to double up on someone, he usually isn't picking up any LB's. The backside guy will, which is one reason you will see a lot of cutback runs.
Oklahoma doesn't have much of a power running game is one reason. They are a passing team primarily. Also, the speed of West Virginia was the determining factor. Just like the Colt defense which is really pretty good. They are real small but also one of the quickest defenses. It is tough to run outside against those teams and they know it so they can stack the middle.
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01-03-2008, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rob
Ok, I am a Sooner fan but it looked like to me that WV was better prepared for the game, but don't get stupid Stoops has created a home will stay at OU.
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Last year, Oklahoma was embarrassed by a team with inferior athletes. Sure the game was close, but Boise St. had no business winning that game.
This year the Sooner defense was thoroughly embarrassed by a team that had just lost its coach.
What does it say for a team's level of preparation when it surrenders 9 YAC, 356 rushing yards overall and allows scoring plays of 17, 21, 30, 56, 65 and 79 yards?
Until Stoops and Oklahoma learn how to win outside of the Big 12, all that talk of a national championship is going to be just that, talk.
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01-03-2008, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg Howdy
I agree, Stoops is a good coach but (as Lou Holtz pointed out earlier today) he lacks the ability to prepare against speedy teams. The sugar bowl against LSU was close, and the Boise State game was the best game I've ever seen, but the USC blowout and this recent WVU blowout are signs that he is not good at preparing for finesse teams.
If they didn't win the Big 12 every year then Bob Stoops would be fired, because the Big 12 bowl game scheduling typically results in them playing speedy schools from the Pac 10 and SEC.
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Stoops has won a National Title, so he is doing something right.
It isn't Stoops who can't prepare against quick teams, they just didn't have the speed to match up and if they played again the result could be just the opposite.
Thats like saying Tressel can't prepare for quick teams because they struggle against speed.
I wouldn't call that LSU team or that USC team finesse teams.
Why couldn't it just be a sign that he had a slower team?
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01-03-2008, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
Last year, Oklahoma was embarrassed by a team with inferior athletes. Sure the game was close, but Boise St. had no business winning that game.
This year the Sooner defense was thoroughly embarrassed by a team that had just lost its coach.
What does it say for a team's level of preparation when it surrenders 9 YAC, 356 rushing yards overall and allows scoring plays of 17, 21, 30, 56, 65 and 79 yards?
Until Stoops and Oklahoma learn how to win outside of the Big 12, all that talk of a national championship is going to be just that, talk.
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He has won a National Title and played in one other national title game.
Seems it is more than talk, huh?
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01-03-2008, 09:17 PM
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He has won a National Title and played in one other national title game.
Seems it is more than talk, huh?
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Taking into account what has happened since, the win over FSU was a fluke.
They were embarrassed by USC as well.
Surely you're not defending the record of Stoops in bowl games, which now includes 4 straight losses in BCS games.
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01-03-2008, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
Taking into account what has happened since, the win over FSU was a fluke.
They were embarrassed by USC as well.
Surely you're not defending the record of Stoops in bowl games, which now includes 4 straight losses in BCS games.
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When LSU beat Oklahoma they beat the number one team in the country and shoudl have held the national title outright, instead it was a shared one. If they would have won one outright then Oklahoma would have won just as many National Titles as USC or LSU in recent years. As it stands now, they have won more outright national titles than LSU and just as many as USC has.
As far as it being a fluke, they held FSU to 2 points. A field goal would have won that game for them. They had a great defense that year. If you think it was a fluke you didn't watch the game. They dominated the entire game.
When they loss to LSU in a very close game it was one of those times where one of the bowl teams gets automatic home field advantage. It should never happen in a game with national title implications.
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01-03-2008, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom1
When LSU beat Oklahoma they beat the number one team in the country and shoudl have held the national title outright, instead it was a shared one. If they would have won one outright then Oklahoma would have won just as many National Titles as USC or LSU in recent years. As it stands now, they have won more outright national titles than LSU and just as many as USC has.
As far as it being a fluke, they held FSU to 2 points. A field goal would have won that game for them. They had a great defense that year. If you think it was a fluke you didn't watch the game. They dominated the entire game.
When they loss to LSU in a very close game it was one of those times where one of the bowl teams gets automatic home field advantage. It should never happen in a game with national title implications.
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In the world of college football 6 years ago is ancient history.
You didn't address my question, are you defending Bob Stoops record in bowl games, in particular the 4 BCS losses in a row?
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01-03-2008, 09:53 PM
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You didn't address my question, are you defending Bob Stoops record in bowl games, in particular the 4 BCS losses in a row?
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He lost the games, what else is there to say? Do you think every coach who loses games is a poor coach? Even the ones who have won a national title and played for another? Now you can address these questions Upton, right?
If you want to compare other coaches with Stoops then you better make sure it is someone who has a national championship.
Bob Stoops is a great coach, one of the best in the game right now. He also has a freshman QB who is coming back and they will be better next year. This wasn't even a year they were supposed to contend for a national title.
It must be ancient history, at least to you, because by your previous 'fluke' statement it is obvious that you forgot all about the national title game he did win.
BTW, you were ragging on the Big Twelve but didn't a Big Twelve team win the national title just two years ago? Or is that ancient history also?
Last edited by Dom1; 01-03-2008 at 09:56 PM.
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