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09-16-2007, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
What you have predicting is starting to come true. Look at the games and outcomes from yesterday.
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yep....it will be intersting to see what the BCS polls look like down the line.
Like I said, Realignment and playoffs...GOTTA happen
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09-16-2007, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by theleftisright
yep....it will be intersting to see what the BCS polls look like down the line.
Like I said, Realignment and playoffs...GOTTA happen
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What is BS is USC will be at #1 again when Fl should be.
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09-16-2007, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theleftisright
Realignment and playoffs...GOTTA happen
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Your answer:
DING...
Alumni and U presidents.
It will NEVER happen.
The Alums from your beloved Syracuse would have s*it fit if they were not playing the teams they are now (in conference).
FYI
The old Southwest conference was realigned away from certain teams who were forced into the WAC/CUSA/MWEST because they were not that good any longer (look at SMU/Rice/TCU, etc), but Arkansas got taken into the SEC. All the powerhouse schools WILL not change if it means thier rankings or prestige takes a hit.
Secondly, I (like you) am a big advocate of the '+1' system that has been proposed for a playoff. This makes a lot more sense and every argument against it has been proved to be BS. One extra game would clear a hell of lot of doubt up. Also, some conferences have a championship game while others choose not to, this had made things very unfair IMHO.
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09-16-2007, 05:15 PM
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The SEC teams do have it tougher. I think USC would have a tough time running the table in the SEC . . . and I damn sure know Louisville would.
When U of L was undefeated last year I did think they had a shot at the title and should be given that shot, but there is no way they play even close to one of the toughest schedules in the country. I think the Big Ten is bad but they are a lot better than the Big East. Connecticut, Cincinnatti, Pittsburgh, South Florida, and Syracuse do not constitute a tough schedule. Throw in West Virginia and Rutgers and you are seeing two good teams from the conference . . . and that is all. U of L doesn't even play a good non-conference schedule. They may play two teams a year (at most) who are ranked in the Top 25 in the nation. Every SEC team does at least that. So does every PAC Ten, Big Ten, and Big Twelve team. The Big East didn't eat itself alive because it isn't very good to begin with. When you only have to play two decent teams it hardly qualifies.
Now, that being said, an SEC team did win it all last year. I think they are at a disadvantage because there are going to be teams (like the Big East teams) who don't play anyone all year and can run the table. Playoffs are the only fair way to solve the problem but I don't see it happening any time soon.
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I suggest you look at the Big east teams (4 top 25 teams at the moment,) scheduals, record against teams from the BIG 10 and the SEC last season and so far this season, bowl records and then rethink your claim that the BIG east does not have a tough schedule both inside and outside the conferfence, and your implication that they couldnt contend in other conferences. Louisville played 3 top 25 teams last season, and will play at least 4 this season, so so much for that myth you tried top sneak in
The big 10 (AKA the big two, Wisconsin, and the little 8? ) better then the big east overall? That is a joke. (this season, it is the "Big 1")
Here are some SEC vs Big East stats on non conference opponents as of last season...
the SEC teams have more games against 1-AA schools then the Big East. 8 out of 12 SEC teams play 1-AA schools or 66%. 5 out of 8 Big East schools play 1-AA schools or 62%.
WVU’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 41%
Rutgers out of conference opponents winning percentage 43%
Louisville out of conference opponents winning percentage 43%
LSU’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 35%
Florida’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 45%
Auburn’s out of conference opponents winning percentage is 44%
The difference breaks down to about a game, nothing more.
I told you before Dom, get your shit straight before you reply to my posts., I'm sick of correcting you
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09-16-2007, 06:42 PM
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Here are some SEC vs Big East stats on non conference opponents as of last season...
the SEC teams have more games against 1-AA schools then the Big East. 8 out of 12 SEC teams play 1-AA schools or 66%. 5 out of 8 Big East schools play 1-AA schools or 62%.
WVU’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 41%
Rutgers out of conference opponents winning percentage 43%
Louisville out of conference opponents winning percentage 43%
LSU’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 35%
Florida’s out of conference opponents winning percentage 45%
Auburn’s out of conference opponents winning percentage is 44%
The difference breaks down to about a game, nothing more.
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Teams like WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers would have losing records within the SEC.
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09-16-2007, 07:03 PM
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Teams like WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers would have losing records within the SEC.
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You can say that all you like, but the past couple of season stats, and the stats so far this year, dont support that contention.
1 point for you with U of K beaing Louisville last night, but I would be willing to bet if they played 5 games, Louisville would be 4-1
The SEC this year is the best confrence in the country, but to claim WV, Louisville, and Rutgers, or even South Florida or Pitt would have "losing" records in the SEC?
Dont be silly.
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09-16-2007, 07:23 PM
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You can say that all you like, but the past couple of season stats, and the stats so far this year, dont support that contention.
1 point for you with U of K beaing Louisville last night, but I would be willing to bet if they played 5 games, Louisville would be 4-1
The SEC this year is the best confrence in the country, but to claim WV, Louisville, and Rutgers, or even South Florida or Pitt would have "losing" records in the SEC?
Dont be silly.
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USF would already be 1-0 in SEC play. 
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09-16-2007, 07:24 PM
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You can say that all you like, but the past couple of season stats, and the stats so far this year, dont support that contention.
1 point for you with U of K beaing Louisville last night, but I would be willing to bet if they played 5 games, Louisville would be 4-1
The SEC this year is the best confrence in the country, but to claim WV, Louisville, and Rutgers, or even South Florida or Pitt would have "losing" records in the SEC?
Dont be silly.
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With all due respect, I watch college football regularly and the Big East is a minor league conference compared to the SEC. Kentucky, is a yearly doormat in the SEC, but it defeated, albeit in a close game, arguably the Big East's best in Louisville. Trust me, the SEC is the top conference in the nation and the Big East can't hold a candle to it.
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09-16-2007, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
With all due respect, I watch college football regularly and the Big East is a minor league conference compared to the SEC. Kentucky, is a yearly doormat in the SEC, but it defeated, albeit in a close game, arguably the Big East's best in Louisville. Trust me, the SEC is the top conference in the nation and the Big East can't hold a candle to it.
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Iam not dioputing the SEC is the best confernce in the country this year. that in fact, was the basis of my thread.
What i am saying, and this is fact, not opinion, is that last uyear and so far this yeear, the Big east has had a very favorable record against SEC teams, and when someone else claimes the Big Ten was a better confernce then the Bifg east, I pointed out that this was a joke..which it is.
SI's power rankings are
1. SEC
2 Pac 10
3 Big east
4 Big 12
5 Big 10
See below...note that South Florida and Cinci are looking impressive, as well as WV, Louisville, and RU
Minor league ?
hardly
SI.com - Writers - Bill Trocchi: WAC looks wack, while Big East continues to impress - Thursday September 13, 2007 9:47PM
1. SEC
Last week: 1
The skinny: The gap is narrowing, but the SEC is still on top. LSU's overwhelming performance against what might be the eventual ACC champion was evidence that the best team in the land may live in the best conference. LSU appears to have no weaknesses at this point and could leap USC in a week or two if the Trojans don't put together some impressive performances. The league did lose two nonconference games over the weekend, with Auburn falling to South Florida in overtime and Ole Miss losing to Missouri. The SEC also boasts just a 3-3 BCS record at this point. But South Carolina's win at Georgia showed the scary depth of the SEC East, and there are nine teams ranked in SI's top 40.
Key game this weekend: Louisville at Kentucky
If Kentucky wins this game, the SEC East could boast five AP Top 25 teams come Monday. The Wildcats will be hosting a top-10 team that is lacking a defense at the moment. Louisville is favored to win its fifth straight in this series, but Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson and Co. could torch Louisville's defense and win a shootout. Whatever you do, take the over.
2. Pac-10
Last week: 2
The skinny: After a disastrous start to the weekend (Oregon State getting undressed by Cincinnati on Thursday night), the Pac-10 rebounded in a big way. With big dog USC taking the week off, the league racked up a 6-0 mark on Saturday against I-A competition and recorded wins over Boise State, Michigan, BYU and Colorado. Half the league is now in SI's top 25 and Arizona State is knocking on the door. The league is not USC and nine other teams. The Pac-10 has nine nonconference games this weekend and it will be favored in eight of them.
Key game this weekend: Ohio State at Washington.
This is the one matchup that is not expected to go the Pac-10's way, but after last weekend, would you be shocked if it did? Washington has looked good in beating Syracuse and Boise State to start the year, while Ohio State has looked ordinary. The defense has been there for the Buckeyes, but things have not clicked on the other side of the ball. With freshman quarterback Jake Locker, Washington has a chance in any game.
3. Big East
Last week: 4
The skinny: The Big Three from the Big East are already well known, but what jumps the Big East into the No. 3 slot this week are what the fourth- and fifth-best teams in the league pulled off (and remember, there are only eight teams in the conference). Cincinnati, under first-year coach Brian Kelly, whipped Oregon State in every phase of the game in a 34-3 win, while South Florida won at Auburn in overtime, despite missing four second-half field goals. West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers were not overwhelming in their victories, but that is more of a factor of newfound expectations than anything else. They all won by a minimum of 16 points. Syracuse is dragging the league down, but the Big East discovered some strength in the middle last weekend.
Key game this weekend: Pittsburgh at Michigan State
Michigan State manhandled Pittsburgh last season in the second half of a 38-23 win. The Panthers are banged up and will have a tough time winning against an inspired Spartan squad led by first-year coach Mark Dantonio. If the Panthers can pull off the upset, the Big East can claim even more depth.
4. Big 12
Last week: 3
The skinny: After taking two on the chin to the SEC in Week 1, the Big 12 swept a pair of ACC matchups last week. Oklahoma looks like a machine at this point after crushing Miami 51-13, and Nebraska gutted out a 20-17 win at ACC champ Wake Forest. Texas answered TCU's challenge by blowing out the Horned Frogs in the second half, giving the Big 12 another quality win. Missouri beat Ole Miss as well, and Texas A&M hung on for dear life against Fresno State. Colorado's loss to Arizona State was the conference's only loss in a 9-1 week against I-A competition. Of course, don't forget Iowa State, which lost to I-AA Northern Iowa and currently sits at No. 106 in SI's 26-119 rankings.
Key game this weekend: USC at Nebraska
Oklahoma and Texas are top 10 teams. Here is Nebraska's chance to give the Big 12 a third team in that elite category. USC has had two weeks to prepare after grinding out a 38-10 win over Idaho in Week 1. The Huskers looked a little sloppy in winning at Wake, but they have experience against USC from last year and shouldn't be intimidated. Even new quarterback Sam Keller has faced the Trojans, back when he was at Arizona State. The atmosphere should be electric for the first visit to Lincoln by an opposing team ranked No. 1 in 29 years. Of course, USC is ranked No. 1 for a reason.
5. Big Ten
Last week: 5
The skinny: Michigan? Not good. Ohio State? Iffy. Wisconsin? Unimpressive. That leaves Penn State. The Nittany Lions' defense is yielding virtually nothing and showing some spark on offense. Penn State has given up 258 yards in two games after Saturday's 31-10 wipeout of Notre Dame, and with Buffalo next, that number doesn't figure to rise much. The Big Ten was actually a respectable 8-1 vs. I-A competition last week (with the one being another debacle in Ann Arbor), but Northwestern had to pull one out late against Nevada, Minnesota went to overtime with Miami-Ohio and we had the aforementioned lackluster performances by Ohio State and Wisconsin. The league has six BCS games this weekend, so we'll know much more by Sunday.
Key game this weekend: Notre Dame at Michigan
The Ohio State-Washington and Pitt-Michigan State games are discussed above, and how jazzed can you get about Duke-Northwestern? The Train Wreck Special will be on ABC, and ratings figure to be good because how often do you get to see either Notre Dame or Michigan fall to 0-3? Michigan will be without starting quarterback Chad Henne, leaving freshman Ryan Mallett to take on Notre Dame freshman Jimmy Clausen. This is Michigan's chance to redeem a scrap of respect nationally, albeit against a very suspect Irish squad that hasn't scored an offensive touchdown this season.
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09-16-2007, 10:18 PM
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Iam not dioputing the SEC is the best confernce in the country this year. that in fact, was the basis of my thread.
What i am saying, and this is fact, not opinion, is that last uyear and so far this yeear, the Big east has had a very favorable record against SEC teams, and when someone else claimes the Big Ten was a better confernce then the Bifg east, I pointed out that this was a joke..which it is.
SI's power rankings are
1. SEC
2 Pac 10
3 Big east
4 Big 12
5 Big 10
See below...note that South Florida and Cinci are looking impressive, as well as WV, Louisville, and RU
Minor league ?
hardly
SI.com - Writers - Bill Trocchi: WAC looks wack, while Big East continues to impress - Thursday September 13, 2007 9:47PM
1. SEC
Last week: 1
The skinny: The gap is narrowing, but the SEC is still on top. LSU's overwhelming performance against what might be the eventual ACC champion was evidence that the best team in the land may live in the best conference. LSU appears to have no weaknesses at this point and could leap USC in a week or two if the Trojans don't put together some impressive performances. The league did lose two nonconference games over the weekend, with Auburn falling to South Florida in overtime and Ole Miss losing to Missouri. The SEC also boasts just a 3-3 BCS record at this point. But South Carolina's win at Georgia showed the scary depth of the SEC East, and there are nine teams ranked in SI's top 40.
Key game this weekend: Louisville at Kentucky
If Kentucky wins this game, the SEC East could boast five AP Top 25 teams come Monday. The Wildcats will be hosting a top-10 team that is lacking a defense at the moment. Louisville is favored to win its fifth straight in this series, but Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson and Co. could torch Louisville's defense and win a shootout. Whatever you do, take the over.
2. Pac-10
Last week: 2
The skinny: After a disastrous start to the weekend (Oregon State getting undressed by Cincinnati on Thursday night), the Pac-10 rebounded in a big way. With big dog USC taking the week off, the league racked up a 6-0 mark on Saturday against I-A competition and recorded wins over Boise State, Michigan, BYU and Colorado. Half the league is now in SI's top 25 and Arizona State is knocking on the door. The league is not USC and nine other teams. The Pac-10 has nine nonconference games this weekend and it will be favored in eight of them.
Key game this weekend: Ohio State at Washington.
This is the one matchup that is not expected to go the Pac-10's way, but after last weekend, would you be shocked if it did? Washington has looked good in beating Syracuse and Boise State to start the year, while Ohio State has looked ordinary. The defense has been there for the Buckeyes, but things have not clicked on the other side of the ball. With freshman quarterback Jake Locker, Washington has a chance in any game.
3. Big East
Last week: 4
The skinny: The Big Three from the Big East are already well known, but what jumps the Big East into the No. 3 slot this week are what the fourth- and fifth-best teams in the league pulled off (and remember, there are only eight teams in the conference). Cincinnati, under first-year coach Brian Kelly, whipped Oregon State in every phase of the game in a 34-3 win, while South Florida won at Auburn in overtime, despite missing four second-half field goals. West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers were not overwhelming in their victories, but that is more of a factor of newfound expectations than anything else. They all won by a minimum of 16 points. Syracuse is dragging the league down, but the Big East discovered some strength in the middle last weekend.
Key game this weekend: Pittsburgh at Michigan State
Michigan State manhandled Pittsburgh last season in the second half of a 38-23 win. The Panthers are banged up and will have a tough time winning against an inspired Spartan squad led by first-year coach Mark Dantonio. If the Panthers can pull off the upset, the Big East can claim even more depth.
4. Big 12
Last week: 3
The skinny: After taking two on the chin to the SEC in Week 1, the Big 12 swept a pair of ACC matchups last week. Oklahoma looks like a machine at this point after crushing Miami 51-13, and Nebraska gutted out a 20-17 win at ACC champ Wake Forest. Texas answered TCU's challenge by blowing out the Horned Frogs in the second half, giving the Big 12 another quality win. Missouri beat Ole Miss as well, and Texas A&M hung on for dear life against Fresno State. Colorado's loss to Arizona State was the conference's only loss in a 9-1 week against I-A competition. Of course, don't forget Iowa State, which lost to I-AA Northern Iowa and currently sits at No. 106 in SI's 26-119 rankings.
Key game this weekend: USC at Nebraska
Oklahoma and Texas are top 10 teams. Here is Nebraska's chance to give the Big 12 a third team in that elite category. USC has had two weeks to prepare after grinding out a 38-10 win over Idaho in Week 1. The Huskers looked a little sloppy in winning at Wake, but they have experience against USC from last year and shouldn't be intimidated. Even new quarterback Sam Keller has faced the Trojans, back when he was at Arizona State. The atmosphere should be electric for the first visit to Lincoln by an opposing team ranked No. 1 in 29 years. Of course, USC is ranked No. 1 for a reason.
5. Big Ten
Last week: 5
The skinny: Michigan? Not good. Ohio State? Iffy. Wisconsin? Unimpressive. That leaves Penn State. The Nittany Lions' defense is yielding virtually nothing and showing some spark on offense. Penn State has given up 258 yards in two games after Saturday's 31-10 wipeout of Notre Dame, and with Buffalo next, that number doesn't figure to rise much. The Big Ten was actually a respectable 8-1 vs. I-A competition last week (with the one being another debacle in Ann Arbor), but Northwestern had to pull one out late against Nevada, Minnesota went to overtime with Miami-Ohio and we had the aforementioned lackluster performances by Ohio State and Wisconsin. The league has six BCS games this weekend, so we'll know much more by Sunday.
Key game this weekend: Notre Dame at Michigan
The Ohio State-Washington and Pitt-Michigan State games are discussed above, and how jazzed can you get about Duke-Northwestern? The Train Wreck Special will be on ABC, and ratings figure to be good because how often do you get to see either Notre Dame or Michigan fall to 0-3? Michigan will be without starting quarterback Chad Henne, leaving freshman Ryan Mallett to take on Notre Dame freshman Jimmy Clausen. This is Michigan's chance to redeem a scrap of respect nationally, albeit against a very suspect Irish squad that hasn't scored an offensive touchdown this season.
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SI is full of it sometimes, and generally has an east coast bias. I would definitely rate the Big 12 ahead of the Big East overall. The Big East can't compete with teams like Oklahoma and Texas.
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