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Old 06-15-2006, 11:14 PM
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Your point about the collapse time has some validity, but fails completely when you are looking at building 7's collapse.

IMHO there is nothing about that collapse that is limited to one sticking point. There are several which I won't repeat here as it's amply discussed above... I think... damn, now I have to go back and reread what I've written and what I haven't... Ughhh. lol.

Anyway, there is the manner in which 30-60 ton debris is ejected up and out from the top of the collapse. That doesn't happen in freefall pancake mode. There is enough air preasure to pop squib like dust plumes several stories below, but not enough to prevent a freefall like collapse... hmmm.... There is the live "testimony" of an eyewitness fireman to the fires that is very strong evidence that the fires were much smaller than we are led to believe. These are all major sticking points IMO, and have never even been adressed by the 911 comission.

This is all I ask of the reader, that they view the evidence and ask questions. come to your own conclusions, but do so with both sides of the story, all the info available, not just the stuff the government says is ok to look at.

ughh, going back to reread....
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Old 06-15-2006, 11:33 PM
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I would like to add that steel is an excellent conductor of heat. It has the annoying property of wicking heat away from it's source, as anyone can tell you who has had to heat and bend large sections of steel. It's very difficult to raise the temperature of the steel without adequate heat.



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Unbiased, independent structural study not related to 9-11

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch...html#structure
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/...e/trusses.html

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MIT engineer and research scientist Jeff King: what most likely happened (Approx. 8 minutes)

911 - Various Clips (approx 15 minutes

Okay folks... this is the first installment. There is much much much more to come. As you digest this info I'll be working on the next section. I've invested a considerable amount of time and effort into reviewing, searching and pulling all of this together, and I am willing to commit to many more hours to provide accurate and credible information. In addition, I am putting my reputation, my own credibility and any respect I may have earned on this site on the line. This fact is not at all lost on me. SO I would appreciate a modicum of respect in this exercise...

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i made a thread about how hand guns should be band it would save thousands of lives every year
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Old 06-15-2006, 11:39 PM
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Old 06-16-2006, 08:25 AM
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I just want to thank OkhamsRazor for dedicating his time and providing us with the great amount of detailed information on 9/11. Keep up the good work. I appreciatate your contributions on the information you have provided on the 9/11 event(s).
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Old 06-16-2006, 08:35 PM
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I think the lack of any counter arguement, from the usually very vocal and stringent supporters of Bush and his administration is very compelling indeed. I just think that if Bush or the people that really have the power had nothing to do with the carrying out this attack, it is very likely that some of them knew it was coming but chose to ignore it, for other long term future strategies.

As for the point made about the time factor being an area of uncertainty. I would like to know what the parameters would be for it to be beyond a resonable doubt. i.e. is there a duration of time where the laws of physics state that one or all of these theories are impossible and can only mean one thing? If this is really close to the estimated time then I would suppose it is an important factor. If it is well outside the boundaries then an estimated time is as accurate as you need to get.
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I think the lack of any counter arguement, from the usually very vocal and stringent supporters of Bush and his administration is very compelling indeed.
There is an amazing amount of info/knowlegde/theory out there to pursue. The supporters that you speak of have most likely expressed their views ad nasium. This is not the only post on the subject on the internet.
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Old 06-16-2006, 10:24 PM
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Ok no one on this thread at least (they do not usually stay quiet) and no direct answers from those in charge.
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Don't confuse silence with ignorance or lack of knowledge. However, you're right, those you mentioned usually don't mind interjecting.
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Old 06-17-2006, 12:55 AM
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I think the lack of any counter argument, from the usually very vocal and stringent supporters of Bush and his administration is very compelling indeed. I just think that if Bush or the people that really have the power had nothing to do with the carrying out this attack, it is very likely that some of them knew it was coming but chose to ignore it, for other long term future strategies.

As for the point made about the time factor being an area of uncertainty. I would like to know what the parameters would be for it to be beyond a reasonable doubt. i.e. is there a duration of time where the laws of physics state that one or all of these theories are impossible and can only mean one thing? If this is really close to the estimated time then I would suppose it is an important factor. If it is well outside the boundaries then an estimated time is as accurate as you need to get.
Excellent question, thank you. You are definitely keeping me on my toes. Curious that the official theory crowd isn't asking these very pointed, challenging and intelligent questions.

So you wanna know what the difference is between free fall/no resistance time compared to that which accounts for air pressure and minimal building (but some) resistance? The latter works out to be just shy of two minutes. HUGE.

Mind you, that's still ignoring the laws of momentum, the initial resistance of the next floor to collapse and the enormous amount of energy required to pulverize every square inch of the building or the energy (heat and velocity) contained in the dust cloud.

Simply put, you have enough energy (being very generous) to either pancake, or pulverize but not both.

But don't take my word for it.. take a look at the science...

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

Again, this is pretty simple stuff. However, you need to have a grasp of energy transfer, or at least know that you can't create or destroy energy.

I hope this answers your question.

But don't take my word for it.
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