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06-11-2006, 08:45 PM
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Religous people scare me.
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06-12-2006, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Porter
Religous people scare me.
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Why ? 
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06-12-2006, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rdnor
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>>>Because they kill people. Millions upon millions of 'em.
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06-12-2006, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rdnor
They are not exercising free speech , they are trolling for donations . Spamming us . Once again , I do not believe in vast conspiracies . I do not believe this crap any more than I believe in the easter bunny .
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>>>I'm not trolling for donations, but I believe 9/11 was an inside job. Until someone shows me otherwise, I'll continue to believe it.
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06-12-2006, 02:55 PM
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So...
You people who believe that 9/11 was carried out by 19 amateurs with box cutters and flew their planes to hit 75% of their targets, why are you not posting anything other than personal attacks and feeble alignments with extremists?
Why did WTC 7 collapse?
Why, if the fires were hot enough to melt steel and cause the first steel building in history to collapse from reasons other than earthquake or demolitions, were there people waving for help from the holes in the building from impact?
Why did WTC 1 and 2 freefall with no resistance from the floors below upon collapse?
Where is all the wreckage from the pentagon?
Why is the hole in the pentagon more consistent with a guided missile than a commercial jet?
Why was the put options against airline stocks traced back to a business owned by a top CIA official?
9/11, in my opinion, was definitely an inside job. These arguments that I've heard ranging from "someone would flap their gums" or "this government is too imcompetent to pull this off" are both disingenous. Dick Cheney is certainly not the posterboy for morals or decency, but he is far from stupid.
As far as someone would flap their gums, all of us have seen the Kennedy assassination and watched his head travel toward Oswald upon impact, instead of the opposite, and most Americans believe Lee Harvey acted alone. Because that is what we were told. How Orwellian can you get?
If any of you have evidence of this being nothing more than the terrorist attacks that our "honest" government has told us, why is none of it being posted?
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06-12-2006, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
>>>Because they kill people. Millions upon millions of 'em.
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Are you talking about Islam the religious belief of kill people inorder to aquire a certain amount of virgins... then I am against that but not all religion is not like this George. Millions of Millions are killed by disrupted governments and worse leaders. Exactly why foreign policy is bad but I have not seen religion stir up enough to kill people, credible evidence against my claim would be nice.
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Last edited by robster; 06-12-2006 at 06:54 PM.
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06-12-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dredloct
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You people who believe that 9/11 was carried out by 19 amateurs with box cutters and flew their planes to hit 75% of their targets, why are you not posting anything other than personal attacks and feeble alignments with extremists?
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Good point, I have seen a lot of this but I don't think these guys were amateurs... I think they were smart guys from Iraq that might have crossed our unsecure borders, that has great intel... connections maybe to A top CIA agent. Hijacked the plane... of course none of this is true maybe but I am doing a reinactment.
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Why did WTC 7 collapse?
Why, if the fires were hot enough to melt steel and cause the first steel building in history to collapse from reasons other than earthquake or demolitions, were there people waving for help from the holes in the building from impact?
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When the fuel tank hit the tower, thats when the explosion began, the fuel leaked everywere and fire swept through the building melting the wiring. I did not here about people screaming for help but I don't think you could hear or see anything through the debris and people running or screaming below the towers... so I do not think this is plausible, good point though.
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Why did WTC 1 and 2 freefall with no resistance from the floors below upon collapse?
Where is all the wreckage from the pentagon?
Why is the hole in the pentagon more consistent with a guided missile than a commercial jet?
Why was the put options against airline stocks traced back to a business owned by a top CIA official?
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Good rational points that I could not answer but I have heard that TWR 1 and 2 were both build flimsily and it all fell at such a speed that there would be no resistance from the floors. I have not seen wreckage from the pentagon either but again good points and with the top CIA official I have not heard any exact word of this.
9/11, in my opinion, was definitely an inside job. These arguments that I've heard ranging from "someone would flap their gums" or "this government is too imcompetent to pull this off" are both disingenous.
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Dick Cheney is certainly not the posterboy for morals or decency, but he is far from stupid.
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All too true.
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As far as someone would flap their gums, all of us have seen the Kennedy assassination and watched his head travel toward Oswald upon impact, instead of the opposite, and most Americans believe Lee Harvey acted alone. Because that is what we were told. How Orwellian can you get?
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Yes I do think this is Orwellian
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If any of you have evidence of this being nothing more than the ist attacks that our "honest" government has told us, why is none of it being posted?
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I don't know why... none of them have the guts to do it I guess, maybe something might spill and someones job could be at risk. You know how those CIA and Intell are hehe on the DL.
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"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government"
- Edward Abbey
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
- Winston Churchill
"Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong."
- Richard Armour
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06-12-2006, 07:24 PM
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When the fuel tank hit the tower, thats when the explosion began, the fuel leaked everywere and fire swept through the building melting the wiring. I did not here about people screaming for help but I don't think you could hear or see anything through the debris and people running or screaming below the towers... so I do not think this is plausible, good point though.
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Watch the footage of the plane crash... see all tha orange flame follwed by copius black smoke? There goes all your jet fuel. If the metal in the plane was atomized on inpact, what makes you think the fuel wasn't as well? There was no jet fuel burning after the fist ten minutes. The black smoke was thousands of gallons of kerosene that was partially or completely unburned... escaping into the atomsphere relatively harmlessly. This is well documented in both the official and unofficial theories.
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06-12-2006, 07:41 PM
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Thank you, OkhamsRazor you always provide facts and then base those facts to provide a wealthy opinion. Thank you for your dedication on these forums, you help keep the intellectual and creative juices flowing through AWE! I printed out all those pages of the 911 debate you currently have put up and I like the theories... they clear up the thoughts I have about it and yes a highschooler like myself should understand it and I do.
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"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government"
- Edward Abbey
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
- Winston Churchill
"Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong."
- Richard Armour
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06-12-2006, 08:35 PM
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***tips hat to robster*** Thanx rob, just trying to do my part.
I've enjoyed your perspectives in these forums as well. Keep writing, you're doing great. Just out of curiosity, what do your parrents think about your invovlement on this site? Do you talk with them about the topics here?
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