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03-14-2007, 11:12 AM
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The Collapse of WTC Building 7...
Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble
on September 11, 2001. According to the Government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.
The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.
Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent.
The engineers were not granted access to the site of the catastrophe. Rather, they were allowed to pick through some pieces of metal at the Fresh Kills landfill. Most of the steel was never seen by the part-time investigators. It had been sold to scrap metal vendors, and was being shipped out to overseas ports as quickly as the newly constructed infrastructure could handle.
Building 7 had a number of fires of limited extent and unknown duration before it's precipitous total collapse at 5:20 PM. Official reports assume that debris from the fall of the North Tower ignited fires at 10:29 AM.
Photographs taken of the building's north face showed only small, barely visible fires. Photographs taken of the building's east face apparently taken mid-afternoon, showed flames emerging from an isolated section of the 11th floor. Photographs taken of the building's west face, apparently taken late afternoon, showed several areas with smoke stains, but don't show any flames. There are no photographs of Building 7 from a time shortly before it's collapse that showed large active fires.
What did the government do to investigate the unprecedentedcollapse of a steel-framed building from fires? It gave FEMA the sole discretion to investigate the collapse, even though FEMA is not an investigative agency.
FEMA assembled a team of volunteer engineers from the American Society of Civil Engineers(ASCE), dubbed the Building Performance Assessment Team(BPAT), to write the World Trade Center Building Performance Study.
The engineers were not granted access to the site of the catastrophe. Rather, they were allowed to pick through some pieces of metal that arrived at the Fresh Kills landfill. Most of the steel was never seen by the part-time investigators. It had been sold to scrap metal vendors, and was been shipped to overseas ports.
FEMA'S BPAT, the only official organization that reported on Building 7's collaspe within two years of the attack, published their final report in May 2002, just after the last building remains had been scrubbed from ground zero.The report was completely indecisive about the cause of Building 7's collaspe.
" The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time."
Building 7 was neither hit by an airplane nor, apparently, by heavy fallout from from the collapse of either of the Twin Towers. If you believe the official story that it collapsed from fires, it would be the first time in history
in which fires induced the total collapse of a steel frame building. Shouldn't that have been newsworthy, given it's implications for building safety and rescue and firefighting operations? Incredibly, it is difficult to find any mention of Building 7 in newspapers, magazines, or broadcast media reports about the September 11th attack.
The collapse of Building 7 was reported on 9/11/2001, apparently by all or most of the television networks. These reports were so obscure that it was not until 2007 that researchers discovered that the BBC and CNN had announced the collapse before it occurred.
Despite the enormity of this event, there is no mention of it in a timetable of press flashes, alerts, bulletins from the day of and after the attack compiled by the Associated Press.
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03-14-2007, 12:18 PM
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cnn with live video of #7 in the background announces "wtc7 has collapsed or will collapse" ,and then shortly after this wtc7 falls at free fall speed directly on to its footprint a near perfect placement of a 52 story building. On the ground firefighters cleared the area shortly before the collapse of building #7,
my question is for the firefighters who were ordered to secure the perimeter of building #7 1st what was the reason for the order of removing personnel from scene. 2nd to what extent was the building damaged from the falling debris and ensuing fire , that would make professionals of structure fires believe there was a impending collapse?
and 3rd this question has to do with the comments that the lease holder Silverman made on a PBS special concerning the order to "pull the building"
I have seen this interview footage 3 times and I still a little skeptical on whether or not he was referring to the pulling of ladders and fire and rescue personnel or using the demolition term "pull it" for a controlled collapse.
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05-16-2007, 11:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbear31
cnn with live video of #7 in the background announces "wtc7 has collapsed or will collapse" ,and then shortly after this wtc7 falls at free fall speed directly on to its footprint a near perfect placement of a 52 story building. On the ground firefighters cleared the area shortly before the collapse of building #7,
my question is for the firefighters who were ordered to secure the perimeter of building #7 1st what was the reason for the order of removing personnel from scene. 2nd to what extent was the building damaged from the falling debris and ensuing fire , that would make professionals of structure fires believe there was a impending collapse?
and 3rd this question has to do with the comments that the lease holder Silverman made on a PBS special concerning the order to "pull the building"
I have seen this interview footage 3 times and I still a little skeptical on whether or not he was referring to the pulling of ladders and fire and rescue personnel or using the demolition term "pull it" for a controlled collapse.
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It's very obvious that 9/11 was planned, and it had bigger expectations that what actually unfolded... I thimk that the death toll was supposed to be higher, but thank God that didn't happen...
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05-16-2007, 02:24 PM
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It's very obvious that 9/11 was planned, and it had bigger expectations that what actually unfolded... I thimk that the death toll was supposed to be higher, but thank God that didn't happen...
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Well, of course 9/11 was planned...And we know who planned it and who executed it.
Why the fascination with Bldg. 7? I heard Silverman say that the building "was pulled" and understood that to mean a controlled collapse of a potentially unsafe structure. Nobody was killed. Nobody was injured. the building was empty. So why the furor over it?
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05-16-2007, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigher
It's very obvious that 9/11 was planned, and it had bigger expectations that what actually unfolded... I thimk that the death toll was supposed to be higher, but thank God that didn't happen...
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Yep it was planned by Bin Laden and crew and the first two towers were taken down by jets and #7 was structurely unsound so it came down as well.
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05-16-2007, 09:35 PM
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I think it was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick...or thermite, whichever fits the case.
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05-16-2007, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SydneySteel
Well, of course 9/11 was planned...And we know who planned it and who executed it.
Why the fascination with Bldg. 7? I heard Silverman say that the building "was pulled" and understood that to mean a controlled collapse of a potentially unsafe structure. Nobody was killed. Nobody was injured. the building was empty. So why the furor over it?
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I worked for Dore and Associates in the 80's before joining the Army. "Pulling" or "Was Pulled" or "Pull it" are not terms used by demo companies. Ever.
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05-16-2007, 10:01 PM
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Such schizophrenia.....on one hand...this adminstration is led by people of pure evil genius....that somehow planned 9/11 down to the last detail...with never a thought to the mass deaths of americans citizens....yet were to stupid to plant fake "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" in the country that this was all planed for...Iraq and its vast oil reserves. They are portrayed as incompetent to the needs of this country by mismanagement in times of disaster.....yet are intelligent enough to mastermind...fake plots to distract people away from their true goals....as was demonstrated by the NJ six....a plant by this adminstration......WHICH ARE THEY...EVIL GENIUSES....or STUPID IDIOTS? BD
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05-17-2007, 09:30 AM
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The man would the be talking gibberish. I dont think thats the case
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06-03-2007, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SydneySteel
Well, of course 9/11 was planned...And we know who planned it and who executed it.
Why the fascination with Bldg. 7? I heard Silverman say that the building "was pulled" and understood that to mean a controlled collapse of a potentially unsafe structure. Nobody was killed. Nobody was injured. the building was empty. So why the furor over it?
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So you agree that the Building 7 was brought down the implosion way?
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