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08-18-2006, 09:37 PM
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I read the article and it still doesn't convince me that the government was involved.
Here the thing
Both sides Theorist and non-theorist will find experts that agree with them. That is what they do and have done for ages.
Here is the main reason I do not believe that the government Blew up the towers
I told you that I am a construction worker right, Well I have welding, carpenter, some electrical, some plumbing, and some demolition experience. When welding I have used thermite to weld in spots that a typical mig or tig welder could not accurately get to. I do not see how it could be used to blow up the Towers. As it is not very stable. Also I have had to go in and Prep a building for demolition and that alone takes weeks. When we were done with that the wiring crew came in and to another week or two depending on the size of the building to wire it.. There is no way for the towers towers to be wired in less time. What you are saying is they wired three buildings for demolition in 30 hours. Impossible
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08-18-2006, 09:50 PM
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There is no way for the towers towers to be wired in less time. What you are saying is they wired three buildings for demolition in 30 hours. Impossible
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Maybe they used their time machine AYFR. That would have worked.
When I asked the same questions, none of the conspiratorialists replied. I wonder why.
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08-18-2006, 09:59 PM
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No the time machine theory is out. The only way to time travel is to go faster than the spped of light and the only movement hence would be foward. They need to come up with something else.
They will probably try and discredit me saying that I just made up that I worked in construction. Why anyone would lie about working in construction is beyond me but you just watch.
BTW if you want to try and say that I am lying about construction just ask me a couple of construction related questions.
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08-18-2006, 10:06 PM
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This is America folks, people are entitled to their own opinions. 
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11-10-2007, 07:13 PM
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The PM article has been thoroughly trashed on many fronts. It's bogus and bad science. One only has to know that the editor and overseer of this article was none other than Benjamin Chertoff, the cousin of our beloved Homeland security chief, Michael Chertoff.
These articles were nothing more than government produced propaganda. If the Cheney admin would go to great lengths to produce fake news conferences, not once but several times, and still after they have been caught, what the hell makes you think anyone that knows of this relationship would find the story credible?
Give me a break.
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11-10-2007, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor
The PM article has been thoroughly trashed on many fronts. It's bogus and bad science. One only has to know that the editor and overseer of this article was none other than Benjamin Chertoff, the cousin of our beloved Homeland security chief, Michael Chertoff.
These articles were nothing more than government produced propaganda. If the Cheney admin would go to great lengths to produce fake news conferences, not once but several times, and still after they have been caught, what the hell makes you think anyone that knows of this relationship would find the story credible?
Give me a break.
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You can choose to believe or not believe Popular Mechanics, but Benjamin Chertoff was one of several researchers on the article and he denies that he is related to Michael Chertoff. This seems more like disinformation than anything else. A quote taken from his mother that they might be very distant relatives (like from about 150 years ago in Belarus) and that the family has never met Michael Chertoff was taken from some conspiracy rag and then blown way out of proportion so that now it is known as a 'fact' among CTers.
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11-11-2007, 10:11 AM
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AYFR, you have been missed, but I wouldn't place to much stock in this evidence you provided...
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11-11-2007, 12:15 PM
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AYFR, you have been missed, but I wouldn't place to much stock in this evidence you provided...
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Oh come on.... you don't trust Micheal Chertoffs cousin to give you the honest truth on this matter? He was, after all... the editor in charge of writing this story in PM.
Just imagine if Gore's cousin had written the definitive refutation to this... how quickly would you jump to suspect reasoning regarding the info provided.
Sorry, the PM article is right out the window on credibility... guilty by association.
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11-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor
Oh come on.... you don't trust Micheal Chertoffs cousin to give you the honest truth on this matter? He was, after all... the editor in charge of writing this story in PM.
Just imagine if Gore's cousin had written the definitive refutation to this... how quickly would you jump to suspect reasoning regarding the info provided.
Sorry, the PM article is right out the window on credibility... guilty by association.
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Where is the evidence that they are cousins? Where is the evidence that they have ever spoken? Also, I think he was one of several who was in charge of writing this story.
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11-11-2007, 09:12 PM
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Where is the evidence that they are cousins? Where is the evidence that they have ever spoken? Also, I think he was one of several who was in charge of writing this story.
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Simple, call the Homeland Security office, and tell them you are doing some fact checking for a freelance piece. Then ask them, point blank... Does Micheal Chertoff have any family ties to Benjamin Chertoff, story editor for Popular Mechanics.
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