Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Let's see: those samples are fake. Hey, if everything is a conspiracy, why not that? I didn't say anything was a conspiracy, I said it was possible
Why should I doubt Al Qaeda releasing tapes of the terrorists that claims that they were responsible before they died in the attacks? You shouldn't, it's just not proof that there is not a conspiracy. Them releasing tapes doesn't mean they weren't acting with the help of the American government. In fact it means nothing and that is exactly my point.
As for Olsen, please the woman was a right wing commentator, she was on their side.


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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Uhm, if we had a tape of Lee Harvey Oswald from before the assassination talking to a camera saying how he was going to go about assassinating JFK and shows how it was perfectly feasible for him to do so, I would suggest that this would be pretty convincing proof that he did it, would you not. Yes, but I would not consider it proof that he acted alone which is exactly what your trying to do with the hijackers. They made a fucking tape so obviously they acted alone. Thats just total bs
If one then said "no, he is part of the conspiracy", I could only shake my head at how loony that person is, in that they have to create a far more complicated theory when the evidence makes it all too easy to understand.

Originally Posted by Carson

I would consider it loony to use logic as flawed as the logic your trying to use above.

Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Not really a logic issue, outside of applying Occam's razor. If you don't use logic, how are you gonna determine anything about any issue, u can't. You use logic in every word u speak, every step you make, and every post you write.
And the "other gunman" theory has been pretty much debunked. The only place the second gunman could have been had several police officers on the knoll who would have seen it. But as you see they didn't just stop when Oswald admitted he did it, they understood there was a possiblity of a second gunman. Just like there easily could have been other people involved then the actual hijackers who boarded the planes. In fact I guarantee other people were involved. Planning requires other people period.
Also, nearly every test done since then has shown that LH Oswald could have easily accomplished what he did.

Originally Posted by Carson

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho View Post
Not really a logic issue, outside of applying Occam's razor. If you don't use logic, how are you gonna determine anything about any issue, u can't. You use logic in every word u speak, every step you make, and every post you write.
And the "other gunman" theory has been pretty much debunked. The only place the second gunman could have been had several police officers on the knoll who would have seen it. But as you see they didn't just stop when Oswald admitted he did it, they understood there was a possiblity of a second gunman. Just like there easily could have been other people involved then the actual hijackers who boarded the planes. In fact I guarantee other people were involved. Planning requires other people period.
Also, nearly every test done since then has shown that LH Oswald could have easily accomplished what he did.
Your getting off topic, point is a video of hijackers stating their intentions to blow up the world trade center proves exactly jack shit except that they wanted to blow up the world trade center and were successful. It doesn't prove that they did not receive help from the US government. Like I said at the beginning this is an issue that can not be proved.

Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Because this isn't a logic problem? Like I said you couldn't have typed that sentence without logic so don't deny the obvious, logic is used in every activity you will ever engage in except sleep. You are calling for conspiracy, no I'm not, I'm saying its not possible to be proved either way although I do believe our government was involved. that is outside the realms of logic (because if you can prove it logically, it wouldn't be a conspiracy). So then your assertation that terrorists were the sole attackers must be a conspiracy too huh? Being outside the realm of logic is not necessarily bad, it just means that we don't have complete information, which we seldom do in life. and then you use logic to go on the information you do have. You use logic, don't try to say you don't

And of course there were other people. Al Qaeda cells in Europe and Afghanistan helped to plan the operation and paid for it. That Al Qaeda knew of 9/11 in advance is clear by their assassination of the leader of the Northern Alliance on the next day, in an attempt to destroy the only opposition the US could rely on in the region. the people of interest in this conversation would be US government officials though

That it can't be "proved" is irrelevant. Probability enters into this discussion. You want to go for the least probable explanation, with no evidence to back it up. That is what makes you a loon.

Originally Posted by Carson

It is no less proable then your explanation and you haven't even heard an explanation from me so don't shove words down my throat. Whats loony is to live in the US everyday and believe that the government honestly acts in its citizens best interests when that is obviously not true. You have the truth staring you in the face everyday and yet you deny it's existence. Now thats fucking crazy.

Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Sure you can type sentences without "logic", in fact you did. You are making logic leaps like Shamu at sea world.
I guess you couldn't handle the hit anymore so you decided to try a diversionary tactic huh? Funny how people like you always do that when they realize their arguments are falling apart.I particularly like your: "since there is no evidence that there wasn't a conspiracy, this is evidence that there is a conspiracy" "logic". Don't try to but words in my mouth, I never said anything that even resembled that asshole. As well as being pussy now your lying too.
Never said that the government acts in the country's best interest, but that is a FAR way from saying that 9/11 was really a hoax.