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12-13-2007, 12:50 PM
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How many days since Clinton went after him? While you are at it, can you tell me how many days it took to catch KSM?
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You can dodge all you want, but the facts remain that Bush has failed to deliver on his promise to capture the mastermind of 9/11. It is a monumental failure, history will not be kind. 2278 days, are you counting?
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12-13-2007, 01:31 PM
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In case any of you Bush loyalists are counting, it's now been 2278 days since Bush said he would get Osama "dead or alive".
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How many days since March 2002 when he said we had bin Laden contained and he was no longer a threat?
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12-13-2007, 01:33 PM
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You can dodge all you want, but the facts remain that Bush has failed to deliver on his promise to capture the mastermind of 9/11. It is a monumental failure, history will not be kind. 2278 days, are you counting?
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And I think the connection between the Bush and bin Laden families will surface more and more as just another reason for it....and the profit both families made from these wars they each started....bin Ladens in theUS, Bushs in Afghanistan and Iraq
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12-13-2007, 01:34 PM
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12-13-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
You can dodge all you want, but the facts remain that Bush has failed to deliver on his promise to capture the mastermind of 9/11. It is a monumental failure, history will not be kind. 2278 days, are you counting?
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Hey dummy, what did I dodge? I merely pointed out that he has been on the loose far longer than that and has been wanted for far longer than that. Just like KSm was wanted by the previous administration and he was captured just recently.
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
And I think the connection between the Bush and bin Laden families will surface more and more as just another reason for it....and the profit both families made from these wars they each started....bin Ladens in theUS, Bushs in Afghanistan and Iraq
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Speaking of dodging, that is EXACTLY what Cookie did. Hey Cookie, didn't you know it was a large family that also had ties with people such as Jimmy Carter? Do you really think that his close to sixty half-brothers and half-sisters along with literally hundreds of nephews and nieces actually see, let alone support him? Get a clue dipshit.
Hell, OBL works against the interests of his family, and only someone as naive as you would think otherwise. The argument you are presenting is only believed by stupid people, and I am not saying that as an insult, I really mean it. A stupid person could not handle the idea that these enormous Islamic families are not like families in the West . . . except in cases like yours, in which everyone in town is related to you. Which may help explain your condition, genetic defects via inbreeding does indeed cause problems.
Cookie dodged because she knew she was beat. The only people she feels comfortable talking to are people who agree with her 100%, which also helps because they are stupid as well. She is known as a troll all over the internet . . . and that from just a google search which lasted a couple of minutes.
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12-13-2007, 05:12 PM
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They're just clueless...the taliban/al-queda militants have control over much of southern Afghanistan....this is a fact, but I guess it just doesn't make any difference to people filled with so much hatred. Then when you try and present a logical reason as to why the man has not yet been captured, they throw a "you must be a Bush-bot" arguement back at you.....just clueless!!!
Taliban dominate the south – but how close are they to Kabul?
21 NOVEMBER 2007
LONDON – The Senlis Council on Wednesday called on NATO’s troop force size to be doubled to 80,000 after its new security assessment report based on field research during the last month revealed 54% of Afghanistan’s landmass now hosts a permanent Taliban presence.
The Senlis Council also released a Research Update on its Poppy for Medicine initiative, which sets out the specifications for a scientific pilot project in the next planting season to test the benefits generated by the legal production of morphine by Afghan poppy farmers.
Taliban Seize Control of Third District in Western Afghanistan
By VOA News
05 November 2007
Taliban militants have taken control of a third district in western Afghanistan.
Local officials say the militants captured the Khaki Safed district in the western Farah province late Sunday, with police and government officials fleeing without a fight.
One police official told the French News Agency that Afghan police, army and NATO troops were able to retake control of the area just hours later.
This is the third district in the region to be captured by Taliban insurgents. Last week, militants overran the Bakwa and Gulistan districts in Farah province. Local officials say Afghan police often withdraw and do not put up a fight when being overrun by militants.
Taliban rebels have previously seized control of villages in remote parts of Afghanistan but are usually forced out by NATO troops. They have, however, maintained control of Musa Qala in southern Helmand province since early this year.
This year has been the deadliest in Afghanistan since a U.S.-led invasion ousted the Taliban government in 2001. Taliban militants have established strongholds in the south and east, attacking U.S. and NATO troops and Afghan soldiers in ambushes and suicide bombings.
Afghan, NATO Forces Battle Militants for Control of Southern District
By VOA News
31 October 2007
Afghan civilians fleeing the Arghandab district, because of heavy fighting, 31 Oct 2007
Villagers are fleeing their homes as Afghan and NATO-led troops battle Taliban militants for control of a district in southern Afghanistan.
The chief of police in Kandahar province, Sayed Agha Saqib says civilians are fleeing the Arghandab district near Kandahar city because Taliban fighters are taking over their homes. He says at least 50 militants have been killed in three days of fighting and about 250 others have been surrounded by Afghan and international troops.
Three Afghan police officers and one Afghan soldier are also reported to have been killed.
The operation was launched to clear the area of Taliban fighters who captured several checkpoints. Militants moved into the Arghandab district following the recent death of a local pro-government tribal leader, Mullah Naqibullah.
The leader had keep militants out of his district.
This year has been the deadliest in Afghanistan since a U.S.-led invasion ousted the Taliban government in 2001. Taliban militants have established strongholds in the south and east, attacking U.S. and NATO troops and Afghan soldiers in ambushes and suicide bombings.
AFGHANISTAN: 'Taliban Taking Over'
By Sanjay Suri
LONDON, Sep 5 (IPS) - The Taliban have regained control over the southern half of Afghanistan and their frontline is advancing daily, a group closely monitoring the Afghan situation said in a report Tuesday.
The report on the reconstruction of Afghanistan marking the fifth anniversary of 9/11 is based on extensive field research in the critical provinces of Helmand, Kandahar, Herat and Nangarhar.
"The Taliban frontline now cuts halfway through the country, encompassing all of the southern provinces," the Senlis Council report says. The Senlis Council is an international policy think tank with offices in Kabul, London, Paris and Brussels.
The report from Senlis, which has reported extensively on Afghanistan over recent years, says also that "a humanitarian crisis of starvation and poverty has gripped the south of the country." The report blames "the U.S. and UK-led failed counter-narcotics and military policies" for this situation..
"The subsequent rising levels of extreme poverty have created increasing support for the Taliban, who have responded to the needs of the local population," the report says.
"We are seeing a humanitarian disaster," Emmanuel Reinert, executive director of The Senlis Council told IPS. "There are around Kandahar now camps with people starving, kids dying almost every day, and this is obviously used by the Taliban to regain the confidence of the people, and to regain control of the country."
The poppy eradication programme has been a disaster, he said. "It is a direct attack on the livelihood of the farmers, so there is a clear connection between the eradication and this humanitarian crisis. All this is being used by the Taliban to say that when we were there we were maybe hard and cruel, but you could feed the family, now look what's going on. They are more and more providing support, social services to the local population."
The U.S.-led nation-building efforts have failed because of "ineffective and inflammatory military and counter-narcotics policies," the report says. "At the same time there has been a dramatic under-funding of aid and development programmes."
The disastrous policies could have created the very circumstances for a growth of terrorism that the United States set out to fight, the report says. "The U.S. policies in Afghanistan have re-created the safe haven for terrorism that the 2001 invasion aimed to destroy," Reinert said.
"The reason that the international force is in Afghanistan for the last five years is to make sure that Afghanistan will never again be a safe haven for international terrorists," Reinert told IPS. But the rise of the Taliban is still short of a rise in terrorism, he said.
"Right now we cannot say we see a lot of foreign elements; we see the Taliban in Afghanistan," he said. "We see basically the neo-Talibans as they are called, they are Afghans, they are people from the communities, they are from the Pashtun tribes who have been fighting in the south for so many years. In a way it is a civil war which is being waged over there."
Hunger is leading to anger, the report says. Lack of funding from the international community means the Afghan government and the United Nations World Food Programme are unable to address Afghanistan's hunger crisis, the report says. "Despite appeals for aid funds, the U.S.-led international community has continued to direct the majority of aid funds towards military and security operations."
"Five years after 9/11, Afghanistan is still one of the poorest countries in the world and there is a hunger crisis in the fragile southern part of the country," said Reinert.. "Remarkably this vital fact seems to have been overlooked in funding and prioritisation of the foreign policy, military, counter-narcotics and reconstruction plans.
Consequently the international community has lost the battle for the hearts and mind of the Afghan people, the report says..
The report warns of difficult conditions in "makeshift, unregistered refugee camps of starving children and civilians displaced by counter narcotics eradication and bombing campaign.
These camps also accommodate families who have left their home due to violence and fighting, the report says. Some are there because their homes have been destroyed by coalition forces' interventions in the 'war on terror' and the current heightened counter-insurgency operations, the report says.
"Right from 2001, the U.S.-led international community's priorities for Afghanistan were not in line with those of the Afghan population," said Reinert. "It is a classic military error: they did not properly identify the enemy."
The report says that military expenditure outpaces development and reconstruction spending by 900 percent -- 82.5 billion dollars has been spent on military operations in Afghanistan since 2002 compared to just 7.3 billion dollars on development.
The large numbers of civilian casualties and deaths have also fuelled resentment and mistrust of the international military presence, the report says. There were 104 civilian casualties in Afghanistan in the month of July alone.
Faced with the return of the Taliban, the United States and the international community must immediately reassess the entire approach in Afghanistan, the report says.
"Emergency poverty relief must now be the top priority," said Reinert. "Only then can we talk of nation-building and reconstruction."
The rise of the Taliban is rapid, he told IPS. "You cannot make peace with the real command of the Taliban. We have to attack the root cause of the growing power of the Taliban, which is poverty, the counter-narcotics policy, we have to cut the Taliban from their base so that they will become what they were five years ago, a very small group of isolated terrorists in a way, a group that was using terror. That's not the case any more. Now they are a large part of the population because of the failure of the development policy."
Reinert said that "in a year we will have a situation where the legitimacy of the Kabul government will be weakened to a point where they will not be able to have the country stay together.
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12-13-2007, 05:35 PM
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Oh yes....I almost forgot....we must be in control because "we have the planes and the bombs"...... 
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12-13-2007, 05:54 PM
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Oh yes....I almost forgot....we must be in control because "we have the planes and the bombs"...... 
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Your arguement falls short, very short. No we should not commit ALL our resources in the aprehension of just one man, but it is not just one man, now is it? He has a large following, that is growing. If we had not diverted resources away from going after those that had attacked us, on our soil, to Iraq, what you posted might not be true. Perhaps OBL and Alqaeda would not be the threat that they still are.
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12-13-2007, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom1
Hey dummy, what did I dodge? I merely pointed out that he has been on the loose far longer than that and has been wanted for far longer than that. Just like KSm was wanted by the previous administration and he was captured just recently.
Speaking of dodging, that is EXACTLY what Cookie did. Hey Cookie, didn't you know it was a large family that also had ties with people such as Jimmy Carter? Do you really think that his close to sixty half-brothers and half-sisters along with literally hundreds of nephews and nieces actually see, let alone support him? Get a clue dipshit.
Hell, OBL works against the interests of his family, and only someone as naive as you would think otherwise. The argument you are presenting is only believed by stupid people, and I am not saying that as an insult, I really mean it. A stupid person could not handle the idea that these enormous Islamic families are not like families in the West . . . except in cases like yours, in which everyone in town is related to you. Which may help explain your condition, genetic defects via inbreeding does indeed cause problems.
Cookie dodged because she knew she was beat. The only people she feels comfortable talking to are people who agree with her 100%, which also helps because they are stupid as well. She is known as a troll all over the internet . . . and that from just a google search which lasted a couple of minutes.
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I don't ever dodge....you, ontheotherhand, never stay on topic...
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12-13-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by itsplayed
They're just clueless...the taliban/al-queda militants have control over much of southern Afghanistan....this is a fact, but I guess it just doesn't make any difference to people filled with so much hatred. Then when you try and present a logical reason as to why the man has not yet been captured, they throw a "you must be a Bush-bot" arguement back at you.....just clueless!!!
Taliban dominate the south – but how close are they to Kabul?
21 NOVEMBER 2007
LONDON – The Senlis Council on Wednesday called on NATO’s troop force size to be doubled to 80,000 after its new security assessment report based on field research during the last month revealed 54% of Afghanistan’s landmass now hosts a permanent Taliban presence.
The Senlis Council also released a Research Update on its Poppy for Medicine initiative, which sets out the specifications for a scientific pilot project in the next planting season to test the benefits generated by the legal production of morphine by Afghan poppy farmers.
Taliban Seize Control of Third District in Western Afghanistan
By VOA News
05 November 2007
Taliban militants have taken control of a third district in western Afghanistan.
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Afghan, NATO Forces Battle Militants for Control of Southern District
By VOA News
31 October 2007
Afghan civilians fleeing the Arghandab district, because of heavy fighting, 31 Oct 2007
Villagers are fleeing their homes as Afghan and NATO-led troops battle Taliban militants for control of a district in southern Afghanistan.
AFGHANISTAN: 'Taliban Taking Over'
By Sanjay Suri
LONDON, Sep 5 (IPS) - The Taliban have regained control over the southern half of Afghanistan and their frontline is advancing daily, a group closely monitoring the Afghan situation said in a report Tuesday.
The report on the reconstruction of Afghanistan marking the fifth anniversary of 9/11 is based on extensive field research in the critical provinces of Helmand, Kandahar, Herat and Nangarhar.
"The Taliban frontline now cuts halfway through the country, encompassing all of the southern provinces," the Senlis Council report says. The Senlis Council is an international policy think tank with offices in Kabul, London, Paris and Brussels.
The report from Senlis, which has reported extensively on Afghanistan over recent years, says also that "a humanitarian crisis of starvation and poverty has gripped the south of the country." The report blames "the U.S. and UK-led failed counter-narcotics and military policies" for this situation..
"The subsequent rising levels of extreme poverty have created increasing support for the Taliban, who have responded to the needs of the local population," the report says.
"We are seeing a humanitarian disaster," Emmanuel Reinert, executive director of The Senlis Council told IPS. "There are around Kandahar now camps with people starving, kids dying almost every day, and this is obviously used by the Taliban to regain the confidence of the people, and to regain control of the country."
The poppy eradication programme has been a disaster, he said. "It is a direct attack on the livelihood of the farmers, so there is a clear connection between the eradication and this humanitarian crisis. All this is being used by the Taliban to say that when we were there we were maybe hard and cruel, but you could feed the family, now look what's going on. They are more and more providing support, social services to the local population."
The U.S.-led nation-building efforts have failed because of "ineffective and inflammatory military and counter-narcotics policies," the report says. "At the same time there has been a dramatic under-funding of aid and development programmes."
The disastrous policies could have created the very circumstances for a growth of terrorism that the United States set out to fight, the report says. "The U.S. policies in Afghanistan have re-created the safe haven for terrorism that the 2001 invasion aimed to destroy," Reinert said.
"The reason that the international force is in Afghanistan for the last five years is to make sure that Afghanistan will never again be a safe haven for international terrorists," Reinert told IPS. But the rise of the Taliban is still short of a rise in terrorism, he said.
"Right now we cannot say we see a lot of foreign elements; we see the Taliban in Afghanistan," he said. "We see basically the neo-Talibans as they are called, they are Afghans, they are people from the communities, they are from the Pashtun tribes who have been fighting in the south for so many years. In a way it is a civil war which is being waged over there."
Hunger is leading to anger, the report says. Lack of funding from the international community means the Afghan government and the United Nations World Food Programme are unable to address Afghanistan's hunger crisis, the report says. "Despite appeals for aid funds, the U.S.-led international community has continued to direct the majority of aid funds towards military and security operations."
"Five years after 9/11, Afghanistan is still one of the poorest countries in the world and there is a hunger crisis in the fragile southern part of the country," said Reinert.. "Remarkably this vital fact seems to have been overlooked in funding and prioritisation of the foreign policy, military, counter-narcotics and reconstruction plans.
Consequently the international community has lost the battle for the hearts and mind of the Afghan people, the report says..
The report warns of difficult conditions in "makeshift, unregistered refugee camps of starving children and civilians displaced by counter narcotics eradication and bombing campaign.
The large numbers of civilian casualties and deaths have also fuelled resentment and mistrust of the international military presence, the report says. There were 104 civilian casualties in Afghanistan in the month of July alone.
Faced with the return of the Taliban, the United States and the international community must immediately reassess the entire approach in Afghanistan, the report says.
"Emergency poverty relief must now be the top priority," said Reinert. "Only then can we talk of nation-building and reconstruction."
The rise of the Taliban is rapid, he told IPS. "You cannot make peace with the real command of the Taliban. We have to attack the root cause of the growing power of the Taliban, which is poverty, the counter-narcotics policy, we have to cut the Taliban from their base so that they will become what they were five years ago, a very small group of isolated terrorists in a way, a group that was using terror. That's not the case any more. Now they are a large part of the population because of the failure of the development policy."
Reinert said that "in a year we will have a situation where the legitimacy of the Kabul government will be weakened to a point where they will not be able to have the country stay together.
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Don't see links...these all republican blogs?
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