Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

Unitl the last few posts on 9-11 E U, I have not offered ANY opinions. As far as factually wrong, PROVE IT! What you posted here was halfassed to say the least. Hard science, diligent analytical method, and massive wholes in the "ooficial story are not speculative. The people doing the science are not chumps, they are experts of the first order. As much as you wish it were as easy to dismiss it as your opinion column, it is far from it.

As far as regurgitating, hardly, I sift through everything in an attempt to bring solid coherent explanations to the thread. Not hack blog crap from someone that just made a list without verifying the context. I check through the info, cross check it, and do everything I can do make shure it's bulletproof. You read a head line and copy and paste. BIG difference.

The reason I have animosity towards the Cheney Cabal doens't come out of thin air, it doesn't come from infomediatainment, it comes from reading EVERYTHING I can lay my hands on. That's why I'm smart and articulate. I have a vast catalogue of info to draw from. I do not say this with arrogance, it's just who I am and what I do. I'm a researcher, and have been from the time I was able to read. It's innate. I know most don't have the time to do it themselves, so I try to distill and provide the Readers Digest version.

As far as my insults to you... if you wish, I can go back and pull the posts whre it all started. I did not attack you in any way. You attacked me. You have lied to make a cheap point, you've slandered me with your video BS and you expect me to play nice with you? *#*&@*&^$@&*^$#!!!!!

If you can participate without going off the deepend, I will have the same discourse that i have with others that show a modicum of respect, otherwise you will get back as much as you dish out. I'm always willing to give someone a second chance. But I will not tolerate ignorance passed off as information.

If you would like to meet on the 9-11 thread, i'd be happy to go over each post with you and explain things, (that's not meant condescendingly). But you haven't even bothered to read any of it. So you are wholly unqualifeid to make an assesment of it.

As far as ignoring you... you have proven you can't be trusted to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible fashion time and again. The video stunt was just the latest. Which by the way is both slander and libel. It is you who are threatened and every action you take towards me porves it.

What makes my info more credible? It's compiled by folks that are highly respected in their feilds. Sure it comes off conspiracy sites, who else is going to host this info with folks like you in the world that dismiss things out of hand just because they sound implausible? Stop trying to take the site and blanket the info with labels and LOOK AT THE INFO AND WHO PROVIDED IT! I challenge you to discredit ANY OF THESE EXPERTS! But you can't, so you have to continually go for the cheap shot. That's all you so gix. Easy insults, generalizations and cheap shots, no substance.

If you were to actually read the info provided, google the guy who provided the research, looked at his bio and career, and how their peers respect them, then you might at least realize that this isn't a bag of nuts. IT's your little world that is in danger of being upset, not mine. I am one of the most confident and self assured people you will ever meet. Becuase I'm confident in the research and it's thoroughness. ANd ya, I'll blow apart any halfassed BS that is the product of a commentator in a heart beat.

Originally Posted by gixaholic

i think you misspelled some words in there. LOL funny how you rant about my bad spelling but meanwhile you are in the same boat as me. Typical elitist, hypocrite liberal. What out for those helicopters

Originally Posted by Scoody Boo

Before I enlisted in the Army, I worked for a company named Dore and Associates. One of the premiere structural demolition companies in the world. What not one single conspiracy theory has addressed is this:

Before the charges are set in a high rise building to bring it down, weeks of demolition have already taken place. Huge chunks of drywall, plumbing and electrical conduit are removed to get to the structural supports of the building. The charges have to be precisely placed and detonated in an intricately timed sequence. To do this without a chance of failure radio controlled detonators cannot be used.

Thousands of yards of detcord are run up stairwells, across floors in plain view. The building is usually a mess nefore the first charge goes off.

The community of people and companies doing this type of work is very small and wiring the WTC for demolition would have been the biggest job of this type ever undertaken. Not a job for military demo types who would have no experience in work of this type and would basically would be amatuers.

A job of this size would have not been kept a secret within the community of the people doing it.

Also, the company doing it would have had to have hired extra people to do work that a demo company does not do. This would include carpet layers, carpenters, electrictians and plumbers to put everything back like it was.

A job of this type would have required hundreds of people and it would have taken weeks, probably several months to set up.

How was this done without anyone noticing that it was going on?

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

OkhamsRazor I have one fact that will debunk you theory that Bush was involved in 911. It would take a genuis to mastermind this and since we are talking about Bush welllll........ we all know that he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

LOL.... well... if Quale was his VP, I would agree with you 110%, but we are talking about Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle, Rummy, Rove, Ledeen, and about thirty others.

Originally Posted by Scoody Boo

The ones who could not keep their mouths shut about Valerie Plame? Those are the guys you are talking about?

Hell this crap is almost as hilarious as the Impeachment threads.

Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

That just doesn't make any sense. It was their intention to out Plame. The had no intention of keeping her identity secret, hell, they wouldn't have even known about her position if it hadn't been for her husbands trip.

So, are you going to accept my challenge on the "9-11 Evidence Unanswered" thread, or are you just going to choose to ignore it?

Read the Wolfowitz doctrine, the 2000 PNAC document and then tell me how fucking funny it is. You obviously only have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. IS THERE NO ONE ON THE RIGHT THAT CAN CHALLENGE ME WITH REGARD TO THE INFO I PROVIDE? Or are all of you only able to parrot FOX and Talk Radio?

I just don't understand how you all can just ignore the VERY WORDS OF THESE MEN, THEIR OWN WORDS!!! Being stupid is one thing, choosing to remain ignorant is inexcusable. I make a habit of reading everything provided, whether I believe in it's premise or not. But to willfully ignore credible info from the hand of these very men you defend, is failing in your DUTY as an American citizen.

The only sense I can make as to why the right adopts the "if I didn't see it, it doesn't exist" stance is that deep down, you know you will not be able to support your position after this info is read. Why else would you be afraid to read these documented public record documents? Now THAT would be funny if it were not so sadly tragic.

Originally Posted by Scoody Boo

I have read your links, I have read dozens of other theories watched Loose Screws...er...Loose Change. And even looking at that with an open mind, it is tripe. One must make huge leaps of logic to even begin to consider them seriously. But if one is predestined to believe in such crap, they will.

As for me, reality is good enough.

I really try not to get into debates about this, because these Conspiracies are much like religion. They have to be taken on faith because, like the Bible, a lot of this do not add up and must be taken on faith. Like the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and truly believing year after year that the Cubs will win the World Series.