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06-01-2008, 07:42 AM
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The US has such instances of this...remember the recent polygamist camp which took child brides..at age 9?
Child Brides -- Forced Marriage of Children -- The Problem of Early Marriages
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* England and the United States: The issue of child brides has also reached other countries such as England and the United States where secret illegal weddings are being performed.
The Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP) found in a study, Is Teen Marriage a Solution? that marriages by teens in the United States jumped tremendously in the 1990s.
The awareness of early forced marriage and sexual abuse of young girls in the United States was increased by the April 2008 rescue of numerous children living on a ranch owned by a polygamist sect in Texas.
United Nations Report on the Violation of Basic Human Rights of Child Brides
According to "Factsheet: Early Marriage" (page 4), a report issued by the United Nations, these early marriage unions violate the basic human rights of these girls by putting them into a life of isolation, service, lack of education, health problems, and abuse.
The UNICEF paper states: "UNICEF believes that, because marriage under the age of 18 may threaten a child's human rights (including the right to education, leisure, good health, freedom of expression, and freedom from discrimination), the best way to ensure the protection of children's rights is to set a minimum age limit of 18 for marriage.
UNICEF is opposed to forced marriages at any age, where the notion of consent is non-existent and the views of bride or groom are ignored, particularly when those involved are under age."
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It's not that one nation or religion is above another with regard to children. IT's that children and women are not seen as having value.
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06-01-2008, 07:46 AM
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Women and Children in Islam, Womens outdated, Woman Modernising, Dancing Women, Fashion, Feminists, liberate Women, Modest Islamic Women, Islam Degrade Women, behind the veil, Abortion, New Mother, Wife, Muslimah, Hijab, Niqab, Burqa, Bikini, Polygam
Read about Islam....it's a good religion
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A plausible solution that may involve some sacrificing is that parents offer their help when their son or daughter is ready to be married. There are many ways parents can assist their children upon marriage, and one of the most practical ways is offering the young married couple a room or basement in their house until the couple is able to move out and live on their own. Such a gesture can be regarded as a charitable act in which parents can earn immense reward from Allah, especially when the charity is twofold, financial and preservation of chastity. If such a situation is arranged, the young husband should not be regarded as forsaking his Islamic obligation of providing for his wife. If he is able to secure a place for his family to live, even if with parents or in-laws, he is fulfilling his Islamic duty of maintenance, for a man can only be expected to provide according to his means. Another area in which parents can assist the youth may be viewed as a prerequisite to the first, and that is having an open mind on the issue of their children marrying young in the greater interest of preserving their chastity. It may be ideal for a young man or woman to finish school before marriage, but given the all too real temptations of Western society, such an arrangement becomes exceedingly difficult, if not overbearing, for some youth, many of whom slip up, even if others never learn about it. We have to be cognizant of their struggles and keep an open mind when it comes to what we want for them to achieve and what is best for their souls. After all, neither child nor parent should have to give up their interests, and there is a safe compromise: allowing our children to marry even if they are still in school. But in order for this to work, guardians of marriage-age daughters have to be more open-minded and realistic in their demands on the Muslim man making a proposal. Of course, a guardian should not absolve the brother of his obligation of maintenance, but perhaps, looking at the young man’s financial potential as opposed to current status can be beneficial, especially if either the young man’s or woman’s family has a large enough home to house the couple.
In any case, parents of young adults should entertain the thoughts of their children marrying and must stay attuned to any signs that their child may actually need to be married. This is an Islamic obligation, because guardians are responsible for looking out for the physical, spiritual, and emotional well being of those under their care. As the Prophet (s) taught us, every guardian is responsible for those under him and will be called to account about how he fulfilled his duty. As many will note, these suggestions are not ideal-but neither is living in the West. The West is a society that seems to offer every temptation imaginable, whether a person is at home looking at television or standing in line at the grocery store. And the temptations are even greater on a college campus, and this is something that we as parents cannot ignore. Such an environment is not easy on a Muslim of any age, and the situation is only magnified for a young Muslim. Our Muslim youth are falling through the cracks too often for us to turn the other way and pretend we do not see. And should we choose to ignore the situation, we will certainly confront it on the Day of Judgment when our records are presented to us. And should our children be among those who slip up in this life, as many youth do, we must bear part of the sin for not doing all we could to prevent it. Parents who truly want what is best for their child must look at ways they can help their sons and daughters not only succeed in reserving a graduation seat from the best university but in reserving a high position in Paradise, even if it means sacrificing our own comfort to help them. For when we are faced with the harsh realities of a corrupt society, something has to give, and one would pray it is not the chastity of our children.
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Wanting happiness for children, no divorce, no hard economic times....what every parent wants for their children.
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06-01-2008, 07:50 AM
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See, the time frame is important because you are saying ALL muslims marry young children or are allowed to do so....
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When did I say that?
By the way, age of consent laws vary from state to state, country to country. I'm not excusing Jerry Lee Lewis, but with parental approval(not knowing the details) it was probably legal.
There are many links to the fact that Aisha was around six years old at the time of marriage, but here's one......
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
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Read about Islam, it's a good religion
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You're joking right?
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06-01-2008, 07:51 AM
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Divorce rates in the US seems to belie the way Christians marry is a good thing.
U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas
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A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:
bullet 11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
bullet 25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
bullet Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.
George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented:
"While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriages."
According to the Dallas Morning News, a Dallas TX newspaper, the national study "raised eyebrows, sowed confusion, [and] even brought on a little holy anger." This caused George Barna to write a letter to his supporters, saying that he is standing by his data, even though it is upsetting. He said that "We rarely find substantial differences" between the moral behavior of Christians and non-Christians. Barna Project Director Meg Flammang said: "We would love to be able to report that Christians are living very distinct lives and impacting the community, but ... in the area of divorce rates they continue to be the same." Both statements seem to be projecting the belief that conservative Christians and liberal Christians have the same divorce rate. This disagre
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06-01-2008, 07:51 AM
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When did I say that?
By the way, age of consent laws vary from state to state, country to country. I'm not excusing Jerry Lee Lewis, but with parental approval(not knowing the details) it was probably legal.
There are many links to the fact that Aisha was around six years old at the time of marriage, but here's one......
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
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Again......link?
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06-01-2008, 07:53 AM
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When did I say that?
By the way, age of consent laws vary from state to state, country to country. I'm not excusing Jerry Lee Lewis, but with parental approval(not knowing the details) it was probably legal.
There are many links to the fact that Aisha was around six years old at the time of marriage, but here's one......
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
You're joking right?
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Sahih Bukhari is a collection of sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), also known as the sunnah. The reports of the Prophet's sayings and deeds are called ahadith. Bukhari lived a couple of centuries after the Prophet's death and worked extremely hard to collect his ahadith. Each report in his collection was checked for compatibility with the Qur'an, and the veracity of the chain of reporters had to be painstakingly established. Bukhari's collection is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).
Bukhari (full name Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai) was born in 194 A.H. and died in 256 A.H. His collection of hadith is considered second to none. He spent sixteen years compiling it, and ended up with 2,602 hadith (9,082 with repetition). His criteria for acceptance into the collection were amongst the most stringent of all the scholars of ahadith.
It is important to realize, however, that Bukhari's collection is not complete: there are other scholars who worked as Bukhari did and collected other authentic reports.
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When one actually gets down to your source, it is just ONE of the interpretations offered of what Mohammad was to have said AFTER his death...LONG after his death...like Christ....
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06-01-2008, 08:02 AM
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When one actually gets down to your source, it is just ONE of the interpretations offered of what Mohammad was to have said AFTER his death...LONG after his death...like Christ....
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Please, Muhammad was a friggin' barbarian.
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06-01-2008, 02:15 PM
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Mohammed was a pedophile.
He fucked a little girl. Not a teenage girl. A prepubescent girl.
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06-01-2008, 02:38 PM
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Mohammed was a pedophile.
He fucked a little girl. Not a teenage girl. A prepubescent girl.
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I'm sure it wasn't isolated to just the one, this one is just well known because he "legitimized" it through marriage and wrote about it.
Throughout Mobombheads campaign of terror, how many other poor children faced the wrath of that asshole?
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06-01-2008, 06:26 PM
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I'm sure it wasn't isolated to just the one, this one is just well known because he "legitimized" it through marriage and wrote about it.
Throughout Mobombheads campaign of terror, how many other poor children faced the wrath of that asshole?
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This quote, and the post above, leadies and genletmen, are perfect examples of Terrorist Support.
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