Religion Corrupts The Political Process

BARK · #41 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:51 AM

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Actually the Iraqi civilian death count to include women and children is much higher than 100,000 from UN sources and NATO agencies along with German and other countries accounts. America has the blood of 100,000's but we sit here safe in America, glance at the News that has been sanitised, edited, re-worked, censored for the US viewing public. If the truth came into American living rooms, millions of American children would be traumatised by the images. We can't keep the military industrial complex from their profits....can we?

The most official death count I know is "ALOT" A whole fucking lot! Fuck numbers talk to a few. Those images you speak of traumatizing American kids... That happens in some poor kids backyard daily over there. Traumatized is the status quo. Insanity meaning different; Happy fits crazy. MIC... It has to be stopped. Someone has to.

rob · #42 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

I believe we currently have a religionous movement in bed with a despot currently... wouldn't you agree?

Nazi, I will not agree with this statement. I beleive that relegious people have the right to engage in the political process just as you do. The relegious right did vote for Bush but they aren't in bed with him. Bush by the way isn't a true conservative. The RR chose the candaite that best met their views, which how we all decide who we are going to vote for. Relegion doesn't corrupt anything, it is people that do that.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #43 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:55 AM

If Bush isn't a conservative then what is he?

BARK · #44 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:56 AM

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The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man (Letter to J. Moor, 1800).
The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion (Letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800).
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes (Letter to von Humboldt, 1813).
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own (Letter to H. Spafford, 1814).

All from letters written by Thomas Jefferson...

DAMN TEN CHARACTERS

rob · #45 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

If Bush isn't a conservative then what is he?

I will let you decide what he is, but IMHO he is not a fiscal conservative.

BARK · #46 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:59 AM

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I believe we currently have a religionous movement in bed with a despot currently... wouldn't you agree?

No. We have a religious guy. Not the brightest. Not the worst. And he got hit with some shit he does not have the qualifications to handle. Had there been no storms or wars for his time, he would have been average. Despot no. He is too dumb for that he delegates power not consolidate. This is America. The constitution prevents one guy being in charge too long.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #47 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 11:59 AM

I agree with you there... I think in converted dollars he's spent more money than other president in history.

But you RR"s got his veto pen on Stem Cells... was it worth it.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #48 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BARK

No. We have a religious guy. Not the brightest. Not the worst. And he got hit with some shit he does not have the qualifications to handle. Had there been no storms or wars for his time, he would have been average. Despot no. He is too dumb for that he delegates power not consolidate. This is America. The constitution prevents one guy being in charge too long.

I'll go along with that...

BARK · #49 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 12:02 PM

OK caught up. Yeah... Why come Bush only vetoed for War and Stem cells. Are those the only two things he decided for himself? 7 Years and thats all he thunk about?

rob · #50 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

I agree with you there... I think in converted dollars he's spent more money than other president in history.

But you RR"s got his veto pen on Stem Cells... was it worth it.

Nazi, the RR was against the goverment funding the research. I understand why you are so keen on stem cell research but IMHO everytime the goverment manages something it is screwed. Let private donations fund the medical researchers.