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sachem, I have a question for you and I hope you recognize that this is a message from the heart.
Do you have any idea how many criminals in prisons in this country have turned their lives around once they got out of prison because someone took the time to go to that prison and talk to them every week about Jesus Christ until they finally got the message? Do you think all prison ministries should just shut down leave these people alone too?
Do you have any idea how many young women have turned away from prostitution because some sidewalk evangelist took the time to talk to one after another of them until one finally listened and walked away from that demeaning life? Do you think all sidewalk evangelists should just leave them alone too?
Do you have any idea how many people have been able to walk away from alcohol, drugs and other self destructive behaviors because someone didn't give up on them and kept offering the love of God through Jesus Christ until they accepted it? Again, should we close down all the Christian rehabilitation centers and never again offer the healing power of God to these people?
Society has come to accept criminal behavior, prostitution, drugs, and many other self-destructive behaviors as normal ways of life. But while acceptance for those behaviors is on the rise, less and less tolerance is being shown for those of us who only wish to help the individual heal their life and their soul and we are told more and more often to shut up and keep our religion in our church and homes. Wherever sin, chaos and destruction abound God and His messengers are being told to leave.
But what I don't think you and many others realize is that it's the destructive behaviors you're so much more accepting of that are the destroyers. Hearing the plan of salvation has never once hurt anyone, but it has certainly helped a LOT of people.
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Bravo Mom
My brother in law was a crack addict, nothing worked for him until he finally was touched by the message of the Salvation Army. He has been clean and sober now for 3 years, is driving a truck for a living and is still alive only because a CHRISTIAN organization reached out to him. The success rate at the SA is not extremely high because some simply will not listen to the message but for those that did they became human beings again.
What secular groups have gone into the community and truly helped anyone return to humanness? United Way? The Federal Government? Moveon.Org? Michael Moore?
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05-22-2007, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mom_Adams
sachem, I have a question for you and I hope you recognize that this is a message from the heart.
Do you have any idea how many criminals in prisons in this country have turned their lives around once they got out of prison because someone took the time to go to that prison and talk to them every week about Jesus Christ until they finally got the message? Do you think all prison ministries should just shut down leave these people alone too?
Do you have any idea how many young women have turned away from prostitution because some sidewalk evangelist took the time to talk to one after another of them until one finally listened and walked away from that demeaning life? Do you think all sidewalk evangelists should just leave them alone too?
Do you have any idea how many people have been able to walk away from alcohol, drugs and other self destructive behaviors because someone didn't give up on them and kept offering the love of God through Jesus Christ until they accepted it? Again, should we close down all the Christian rehabilitation centers and never again offer the healing power of God to these people?
Society has come to accept criminal behavior, prostitution, drugs, and many other self-destructive behaviors as normal ways of life. But while acceptance for those behaviors is on the rise, less and less tolerance is being shown for those of us who only wish to help the individual heal their life and their soul and we are told more and more often to shut up and keep our religion in our church and homes. Wherever sin, chaos and destruction abound God and His messengers are being told to leave.
But what I don't think you and many others realize is that it's the destructive behaviors you're so much more accepting of that are the destroyers. Hearing the plan of salvation has never once hurt anyone, but it has certainly helped a LOT of people.
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Well said Mom
Now why couldn't I have said it that way???
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05-22-2007, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mom_Adams
sachem, I have a question for you and I hope you recognize that this is a message from the heart.
Do you have any idea how many criminals in prisons in this country have turned their lives around once they got out of prison because someone took the time to go to that prison and talk to them every week about Jesus Christ until they finally got the message? Do you think all prison ministries should just shut down leave these people alone too?
Do you have any idea how many young women have turned away from prostitution because some sidewalk evangelist took the time to talk to one after another of them until one finally listened and walked away from that demeaning life? Do you think all sidewalk evangelists should just leave them alone too?
Do you have any idea how many people have been able to walk away from alcohol, drugs and other self destructive behaviors because someone didn't give up on them and kept offering the love of God through Jesus Christ until they accepted it? Again, should we close down all the Christian rehabilitation centers and never again offer the healing power of God to these people?
Society has come to accept criminal behavior, prostitution, drugs, and many other self-destructive behaviors as normal ways of life. But while acceptance for those behaviors is on the rise, less and less tolerance is being shown for those of us who only wish to help the individual heal their life and their soul and we are told more and more often to shut up and keep our religion in our church and homes. Wherever sin, chaos and destruction abound God and His messengers are being told to leave.
But what I don't think you and many others realize is that it's the destructive behaviors you're so much more accepting of that are the destroyers. Hearing the plan of salvation has never once hurt anyone, but it has certainly helped a LOT of people.
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I believe all you say about people being helped. I have never said I accept criminal or other self destructive behaviors. What I do say is that homosexuality, sex education, abortion, to name a few, are not self destructive behaviors. You can speak to all the prisoners, prostitutes and drug addicts that you want to, and if they are helped I think that is great. My arguement is with the 'religious' telling us what is right and wrong. You want to spread what you believe,that is great and I sincerely mean that, but what I have to say is just as important. I find that many 'religious' people feel that they have the monopoly on how things should be in this country and are intolerant of any who disagree.Now I realize we all think 'our way' is the best, but I believe in a live and let live philosophy, as long as no one is getting hurt. You obviously take a great comfort in your faith, as do I. You have the right (and duty?) to speak for what you believe and so do I. I just hope we can do it in a civilized manner. This country is large enough for all points of view.
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05-22-2007, 12:25 PM
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Please stop quoting scripture.....boring. The bible was written and inspired by man so quoting what some other guy wrote along time ago lends no credibiltiy to any arguement.
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05-22-2007, 12:27 PM
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Bravo Mom
My brother in law was a crack addict, nothing worked for him until he finally was touched by the message of the Salvation Army. He has been clean and sober now for 3 years, is driving a truck for a living and is still alive only because a CHRISTIAN organization reached out to him. The success rate at the SA is not extremely high because some simply will not listen to the message but for those that did they became human beings again.
What secular groups have gone into the community and truly helped anyone return to humanness? United Way? The Federal Government? Moveon.Org? Michael Moore?
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MOM, This is an example of the 'religious' thinking they are the only ones who know right and wrong. Secular groups just can't do it. Only Christians can????
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05-22-2007, 12:27 PM
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WRONG the Bible was inspired by God.
And I will quote it as I please.
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05-22-2007, 12:29 PM
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MOM, This is an example of the 'religious' thinking they are the only ones who know right and wrong. Secular groups just can't do it. Only Christians can????
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I am telling you secular groups don't. Tell me who has.
And BTW, I think Muslim groups have helped get people off drugs as well.
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05-22-2007, 12:37 PM
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I am telling you secular groups don't. Tell me who has.
And BTW, I think Muslim groups have helped get people off drugs as well.
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I am not arguing about which groups have helped people, my point was the assumption that the Christian way is the only way.
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05-22-2007, 12:48 PM
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Besides the fact that Jesus IS the only way.
What is different about YOU telling us that the Christian way is not the only way and us saying it is?
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05-22-2007, 01:00 PM
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Besides the fact that Jesus IS the only way.
What is different about YOU telling us that the Christian way is not the only way and us saying it is?
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I don't tell anyone the 'only' way. Do what works for you. If Jesus is your only way great. He's not mine.
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