Originally Posted by jebe

so, if the cat in the hat were served on a tray, it wouldnt be green eggs and ham? youve confused me here come back. what does doctor suess have to do with the bible?

Originally Posted by wvpeach

Well obviously skyharbor your discernment is non existent .

wvpeach. How many men do you know that call themselves peach?

I am a woman.



I never said I was the only one doing things right. trust me there are millions upon millions of Christians in this world , that believe like I do. So I am in lots of good company.

You sure do make fast assumptions skyharbor.

Lets see quick to judge, no discernment , the puzzle pieces are adding up.


Please don't tell me sky harbor that you are going to try to justify the immoral pre emptive war by the teachings of Christ?

Strange , but only 95% of the worlds churches tried to tell Bush his war was wrong and could not be condoned.

Yet that 5 % of war mongers keeps saying you can be a Christian and vote for the bombing of innocent people.


So tell me sky harbor. How are you getting pre emptive war in any of Christs teachings?

Originally Posted by rob

When I read the bible, I keep remembering that Jesus said that the only way to the Father was through him and he also said that a conforter would be sent to the desciples. That makes up the trinity.

Originally Posted by wvpeach

The word "Goddhead" is a man-made phrase; it is not a Scriptural (Hebrew or Greek) phrase. As is, the word God, is a pagan (Canaanite) derivative from Gad God or Gawd (meaning good luck, or fortune).

First, we are told in various Greek writings, that Yahweh is Spirit (John 4:24) is light (1 John 1:5) whom no man can approach (1 Tim. 6:16) whom no man has seen (1 John 4:12). He is therefore outside the range of our physical senses and in fact, can not be seen, and has never been seen (1 John 1:18). About His Son we are told that He is the Image of Yahweh, portraying Yahweh who is invisible, not in a physical form. The Son reveals the Father (His character, His attributes). This indwelling, of the Father's Spirit in the Son, makes the Father Yahweh visible and audible, and in control of the physical body of the Son. If Yahweh wishes to appear before the eyes of men (He who dwells in unapproachable light), or if Yahweh wishes to speak words which men can understand, He did so in past times through His messengers the prophets, and does so at the last days by His Son.


Christ says that "I and my Father are One," but this does not mean that they are one and the same being, or that they are both Yahweh (God)? They are one in all that They do, one in unity, one in thought, and one in purpose, one in direction, as Yahshua constantly asserted when He was upon this earth. The Fathers will, not His own, was His delight, and the works that He did were His Fathers also. (John 5:19; 7:16). He prayed that His disciples might all be one "even as Thou, 0 Father art in Me, and I in Thee," but even the most twisted theology can not make this prayer mean that He wanted them made into one "being," despite the fact that the Master Yahshua requested that the disciples might be "one, even as we are one." This scripture alone should be sufficient enough to prove the meaning of "oneness" as our Messiah intended it to be understood. If Yahshua Messiah is identical with the Absolute Almighty Creator Being Yahweh, He could not have made this prayer, or any other, for there cannot possibly be anyone superior to the Father, to whom a prayer could be offered.


John 8:42 - Yahushua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


Its a tad bit hard to keep pushing that myth of the trinity sky harbor when Christ himself clearly said the Father is greater than he is.

That is okay though. The time approaches for Christ to return. he will straighten out all that incorrect trinity nonsense during his reign.

Convenient how Trinitarians seem to miss the plain and simple scriptures that point to God's plan the subjection of Christ to the father.

1 Corinthians 15 :15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Notice that Father Yahweh raised Christ from the dead in the above scriptures. Christ did not raise himself.

Also notice that all power and authority except over the father has been given to Christ.

Also notice that when everything is done and Christ has completed his job he will himself remain subject to God the Father whose name is Yahweh.
Care to explain if Christ is equal to God skyharbor how it is that he will be in subjection to God?

Originally Posted by skyharbor

Right you are rob. I was raised in the oneness doctrine, and it has always made me wonder how they could pray to the Father that He would fill them with the Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus, and not understand the trinity. John 10:28-30 reads "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.My Father, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand. I and my Father are one." Notice He first says no man shall pluck them out of MY hand, followed by no man shall pluck them from my Fathers hand. Then He establishes the fact that He and His Father are one. How much clearer could He be?
Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."
Furthermore, we know that man is born of sin. If Jesus was merely a man and not God in flesh, He would not have been a sinless sacrifice, therefore nullifying His ability to die in our place. Only God Himself could take that position. That's the kind of loving God we have. He was born of man through His Holy Spirit in order to fulfill His own requirement of the unblemished animal sin offering established in the book of Genesis. Matthew clearly tells us that Mary was to call the child Emmanuel, that is, God with us. The name Jesus means Jehovah saves. He is Jehovah, God with us. Mormonism doctrine as well as the Jewish faith deny the deity of Christ due to the rudiments and traditions of man. Ever learning yet never understanding. "Go ye therfore, preaching and baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." "There are three which bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one." "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us." Jesus is the Son of God, yes. And all things were created through Him, for Him and BY Him. Well, who created all things? Read Genesis 1. Bottom line is, Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. God and man. He could not have gone to the cross otherwise. God became man that we might have life, not only life, but life eternal. If I may recommend a book for you rob, it's called One Book Rightly Divided by Dr. Douglas Stauffer.

Originally Posted by rob

Thanks for the recommendation as I will check it out. Let tell you that I was raised Nazerene but left that church over 25 years ago. I also don't think that you sound balance in understanding the bible if the only verision you read is the King James.