Nah, pretty much truth. Everyone but "smart makes" and similar people agreed. You were stomped, trampled, pummeled, vivisected, and pulped.

Agnostics kick ass!

you only "win" out of ad populum? gg newb.

Well, I'll be darned! It's a myth after all.

Well, you DID say that without something to arrest your descent or soften your impact, you would die or be really hurt. So, you really don't have wiggle room to cover dying in mid-fall (especially if the force that slows you down happens after the fatal heart attack).

However, you've shown it's a moot point.

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Well, in that you are the one arguing that there "is no truth" that is as good a judge as any, and indeed the ONLY means of measurement.

Well, you know me, I have to take things to the ridiculous extremes, but here is what I wrote:

If you jump off a 60 story window without a means to arrest your descent or softening your impact, it will either hurt a lot or kill you.

Nowhere does it say that it is the impact that kills you, the verb being defined is "jump" not "impact". Impact was used as one of the two verbs as countering examples of how the jump will not kill you.

See, ridiculous, but oh so typically TS :-)

Well, you must know that I will argue this, even though it's being taken to such a ridiculous extreme......

But what if you jump off a 60 story window, and you DO have something to arrest your descent (after fifty feet) and you DO have something to soften your impact (say, a giant bubblewrap pillow), but you die midfall, then your premise is incorrect. Since you could die from the 60-story fall, even with the descent-arresting, and impact-softening mechanisms in place.

If it was simply the jump that would kill you, there wouldn't have been a need to add the qualifiers about your descent and your impact.

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The exclusions do not state that you will not die, it states that your death is not automatically assured.

There is no Truth, but there is still truth. If you get my meaning.

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The truth is generally seen, but seldom heard, and then only rarely believed. Would you know the truth, look for it yourself; for it will take longer to find someone to tell it to you, and longer still to be convinced of it.

The senses can be fooled.

Your memory could be faulty.

Your example of jumping off a building might be flawed in an infinite number of ways.

Everything you observe and know is subject to your own perceptions of reality, which are just that - subjective. Your mind could well have been playing a vast elaborate trick on you from the moment it came into existence.

I'm by no means saying that it HAS been. But it's possible.

So while it is demonstratable a thousand times over that this jump kills everyone else, my perceptions may be wrong, so there is no TRUTH in the statement that I will definately die or be injured if I jump.

I'm not going to, because I believe I will be injured or die. Believe. Not know.

Therefore, the only statement that can be made with any certainty is "I exist to observe something."

Of course, nothing I've said here has any bearing on anything because reality is the same no matter how we observe it. All I'm saying is that I was right in my earlier statement. And Sub was almost right in his.