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Old 05-29-2008, 01:59 PM
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You seem to be "intelligent", or you present the verbose language of the pseudo intelligent that wishes "others" to accept their self professed example of intelligence. Just answer these simple questions in the empirical scientific method...without the speculation of theory, and I will bend a knee to your verbose display of Mr. Websters dictionary. They are really quite simple one word questions just explain each in the actual field of science provided with factual knowledge. Please explain 1.) "GRAVITY"...not the characteristics of gravity but gravity. 2.) Life and the force that brings "animation" to a lump of inert matter known as the BODY HUMAN...again, not the characteristics of life but LIFE..its origins, its evolution..etc, and of course NO THEORIES please. 3.) A "STAR".....Please explain the birth of a star, without theory, present the evidence of a NEW STAR being born, show me a star that exists now that was not evident in history. 4.) Please explain just how the Universe can be "observed" being 93 billion light years across, and yet only be 13.7 billion years old...again, no theories, that can be pasted....tell us in "your own words". Show us just how intelligent you, do not OPINE about how smart you are. BD
3 is dead wrong, they have witnessed starts being born. You can look up some pictures on the internet.

The other questions even science will admit is currently non-defined. They have some very good guesses that have stood up to examination to date, however I would not say that they are settled.

But something being unknown doesn't make it unknowable. Science has filled in large swathes of the unknown territory in the last 150 years, and it is not too far to assume they will continue to do so in the future. There is some good physics work going on concerning gravity, that we hope will be solved once CERN gets their new accelerator fully functioning.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:18 PM
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3 is dead wrong, they have witnessed starts being born. You can look up some pictures on the internet.

The other questions even science will admit is currently non-defined. They have some very good guesses that have stood up to examination to date, however I would not say that they are settled.

But something being unknown doesn't make it unknowable. Science has filled in large swathes of the unknown territory in the last 150 years, and it is not too far to assume they will continue to do so in the future. There is some good physics work going on concerning gravity, that we hope will be solved once CERN gets their new accelerator fully functioning.
Please show me the star that was born...that never existed, and do not point out the example of the "Orion Nebula", as this is far from being a star...it is "ONLY THEORIZED" as being the beginning of star. As the math "proves" one star should be exampled "breaking water" every 7 minutes, all one should have to do is "look up", as the LIGHT from those very distant stars of the past should still be "observable" even today, as the observable universe is theorized to be some 93 billion light years across. I am easy to get along with, just produce your "proof", of just ONE STAR that has been witnessed coming into existence. You have answered NONE of the questions, yet you are to PROUD to admit that you simply do not know, thus you continue to present "pseudo intellect" and expect this to be a valid display of intelligence. I for one can not answer these simple basic questions...and apparently you can not either, yet you expect us to simply accept THEORY AS FACT? BD

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Old 05-29-2008, 02:36 PM
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I'm always amazed ...... how SURE both sides of this ongoing argument are that THEY have it all figured out ...... when in reality neither side KNOWS shit about the TRUTH of the matter ...... and I don't either......
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You allowed your "Sam" to suffer?
Not fucking likely!

I was referring to how many "decent" people treat their dogs.

With the drought we have, we have had an epidemic of animal snake bites here in Kinglake. My vet tells me they just let them die rather than pay the $500 dollars for the antivenin. They even baulk at the small cost of "putting them down"

The same vet, or anyone else there, will tell you they have never seen a more loved or cared for dog as Sam in the lives. Yell out if you want her email.

Sam was okay when we went to bed that night. At 4AM I sat bolt upright in bed knowing something was wrong. When I went into his room he had obviously just died seconds before. His tongue and other parts were still warm, as was the urine he was lying in on his couch.

I kissed and cuddled him until rigor mortis set in and delayed burying him until 5 PM that night so Lochie could grieve him and know he was gone.

Two nights later it rained overnight and I am that crazy I was up at 2 AM, in the rain, putting sheets of corrugated iron over his grave (4' 6'' deep!) so he wouldn't get wet.

I have never loved anyone or anything so much in my life.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:48 PM
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Not fucking likely!

I was referring to how many "decent" people treat their dogs.

With the drought we have, we have had an epidemic of animal snake bites here in Kinglake. My vet tells me they just let them die rather than pay the $500 dollars for the antivenin. They even baulk at the small cost of "putting them down"

The same vet, or anyone else there, will tell you they have never seen a more loved or cared for dog as Sam in the lives. Yell out if you want her email.

Sam was okay when we went to bed that night. At 4AM I sat bolt upright in bed knowing something was wrong. When I went into his room he had obviously just died seconds before. His tongue and other parts were still warm, as was the urine he was lying in on his couch.

I kissed and cuddled him until rigor mortis set in and delayed burying him until 5 PM that night so Lochie could grieve him and know he was gone.

Two nights later it rained overnight and I am that crazy I was up at 2 AM, in the rain, putting sheets of corrugated iron over his grave (4' 6'' deep!) so he wouldn't get wet.

I have never loved anyone or anything so much in my life.

I know how you feel. I buried my old German Shepherd. It took me a long time to get over that.
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:11 PM
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Not fucking likely!

I was referring to how many "decent" people treat their dogs.

With the drought we have, we have had an epidemic of animal snake bites here in Kinglake. My vet tells me they just let them die rather than pay the $500 dollars for the antivenin. They even baulk at the small cost of "putting them down"

The same vet, or anyone else there, will tell you they have never seen a more loved or cared for dog as Sam in the lives. Yell out if you want her email.

Sam was okay when we went to bed that night. At 4AM I sat bolt upright in bed knowing something was wrong. When I went into his room he had obviously just died seconds before. His tongue and other parts were still warm, as was the urine he was lying in on his couch.

I kissed and cuddled him until rigor mortis set in and delayed burying him until 5 PM that night so Lochie could grieve him and know he was gone.

Two nights later it rained overnight and I am that crazy I was up at 2 AM, in the rain, putting sheets of corrugated iron over his grave (4' 6'' deep!) so he wouldn't get wet.

I have never loved anyone or anything so much in my life.
You and I have the same thoughts about our Pets...I had to putdown my Tasha Bell 3 1/2 weeks ago. She was 14 years old, and could no longer "Run with the Big Dawgs". Arthritis had set in quickly in her hind quarters.

She went to sleep in my arms.

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You seem to be "intelligent", or you present the verbose language of the pseudo intelligent that wishes "others" to accept their self professed example of intelligence. Just answer these simple questions in the empirical scientific method...without the speculation of theory, and I will bend a knee to your verbose display of Mr. Websters dictionary. They are really quite simple one word questions just explain each in the actual field of science provided with factual knowledge. Please explain 1.) "GRAVITY"...not the characteristics of gravity but gravity. 2.) Life and the force that brings "animation" to a lump of inert matter known as the BODY HUMAN...again, not the characteristics of life but LIFE..its origins, its evolution..etc, and of course NO THEORIES please. 3.) A "STAR".....Please explain the birth of a star, without theory, present the evidence of a NEW STAR being born, show me a star that exists now that was not evident in history. 4.) Please explain just how the Universe can be "observed" being 93 billion light years across, and yet only be 13.7 billion years old...again, no theories, that can be pasted....tell us in "your own words". Show us just how intelligent you, do not OPINE about how smart you are. BD
1. gravity (great choice) is an old metaphor. It comes from the latin, gravitas, which refers to a carnal attraction, a sort of lustful intention. When the scientific term gravity was being coined, the word gravitas was already a dead metaphor (a concept which no longer retained its intended meaning). So they assumed the phrase gravity and created a new metaphor. This time, gravity was a metaphor for how objects are attracted to one another (based on mass/density). This metaphor has then been literalized. It is no longer a metaphor, in that it now has a literal meaning. When Newton (thats the apple guy right?) was coining the term, it meant nothing (as I said, gravitas was a dead metaphor). So in virtue of assigning phonetic sounds to a concept, Newton created the metaphor. Now, literal, when one says "gravity" we know exactly what it means.
2. Life is matter which, seemingly unique from other types of matter, can experience itself as a distinct subject. In virtue of similarities amongst particular types of matter man has been able to assign the metaphor of "life" to these objects. They include man, animals, plants, and microscopic organisms. The term life may eventually extend to include more, as more "life forms" are invented/discovered. Right now, loosely, life is that which can control other forms of matter with an intention, a subjective goal. They can digest matter, reproduce matter, move matter, ingest matter, etc.
3. I don't really know anything about astronomy.
4. No idea. I wonder how they even came to determine those figures. Interesting though... how do you explain it?
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I'm always amazed ...... how SURE both sides of this ongoing argument are that THEY have it all figured out ...... when in reality neither side KNOWS shit about the TRUTH of the matter ...... and I don't either......
because there is no truth, just words we use like tools to cope with our environment. its all contingent and contextual
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You mean the complete opposite to a God that takes joy in killing dogs in agony because their primeval masters ate an apple?
Regretfully it has nothing to do with either. They are just sick F'd up people.
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because there is no truth, just words we use like tools to cope with our environment. its all contingent and contextual
I would like to point out that your statement is self-contradictory or at best meaningless. To claim that truth is not real and is contingent and contextual is to remove any basis of your statements truth value. Unless some truth is not relevant your statement is pointless.
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