Can you name an instance where my rights will infringe on some right of yours? By definition a "right" cannot be legally infringed, only privlidges can be.

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Actually, I don't think you do. Or if you do, you just can't apply it.


Read a book, we don't have the second ammendment to force the government to change the Constitution. I don't know where you got such a stupid idea from.

Agree or disagree . . . I don't care. I also didn't say I agreed with it, please try to pay fucking attention. I was just stating a fact. Or are you going to try and tell me Foudning Fathers didn't say this?

You really aren't all that bright, are you?

What does 'liberal' enough mean anyway? Give any group a bunch of power and you will see rights taken away. That was an incredibly dumb statement by you.


That is a utopia you are talking about and I don't even know if extremely unrealistic would go far enough in describing what you are saying.

The Shepard case (what the Fugitive was based upon).

The freedom of the press conflicted with Shepard's right to have a fair trial. Shepard's right was deemed more important.

Sure quotes can be taken out of context, but it is pretty clear that many of the Founders did view rights coming from some higher authority, whether you want to believe it or not.

I don't misattribute quotes to people, but I often catch others doing so. Most of the time it is from people from the far left that say religion had no role in the founding of this nation - which is utterly ridiculous to even suggest.

None of what you said has anything to do with the fact that many of the Founders did say that rights came from a higher authority. It doesn't matter if you or I or anyone else believes that, it doesn't change what the author's of the Constitution thought.

He asked the question where rights come from and I gave an answer based on what our Founding Fathers had said.

Were the rights of the press denied in this instance or were members of the press merely stopped from attending the trial and therefore could not get information? The press could and did ask questions, it was just that no one was answering them.

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The rights of the press were denied.



Sheppard v. Maxwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

True, an individual chooses how much to buy into their society...but even in a dictatorship there are multiple levels of authority.....

the balance of power in a society is the cumulative result of the individual choices? But the cumulative power of society is greater than any individual choice?

At the end of the day I still believe that our responsibility to the species (collective) outweighs my individual rights. I don't see it as mutually exclusive....without others I wouldn't ever have existed, and without others nobody else will ever exist.....

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Actually they weren't denied. If anyone's rights were denied it was Sheppard's. Wouldn't it be feasible to say, ok the jury cannot have access to any outside information. If printing a news article can be considered prejudicial then that could infringe on the 1st amendment in all cases.

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so, if its in the best interest of my neighbors that I throw myself off a cliff then I should throw myself off a cliff?

When does a group have a right that an individual does not?

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If I remember correctly there was a crowd of people outside the courthouse chanting about how Shepard was guilty, etc.

They were forced to move also because the jurors might hear them. That is freedom of speech and assembly versus rights to a fair trial. That wasn't the issue in from of the Supreme Court though.

Shepard's rights weren't denied. He was granted a new trial and was aquitted.