The Body in Pain: Torture Always Works

Suburbanite · #21 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 03:01 PM

this isn't about the politics of torture, its happening around the world outside of our own spheres of influence

TakuanSoho · #22 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

This isn't true. All information is attained. Afterwards, the torture victim begins to offer to betray things they don't even care about. Take my kids, take my wife, kill the other guy in the torture room next to me. Torture WORKS AGAINST EVERYONE. The goals of torture are ALWAYS met with the execution of torture, be it to extract information or just unmake someone's world to then rebuild it. It works.

I actually read one of your earlier posts and agreed and changed my post hoping it would be before you read it.

Agree with what you wrote.

Suburbanite · #23 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 03:03 PM

lol, my bad, i was trolling this thread i guess...fuck its hot as shit in LA... I'll give you guys all the info you want or need just to end this torture

oceanbreeze · #24 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

lol, my bad, i was trolling this thread i guess...fuck its hot as shit in LA... I'll give you guys all the info you want or need just to end this torture

End all torture? The Iraqi's are torturing their own people, still finding mass graves. Shall we roll the beautiful execution tapes of the US contractors? Lovely.

It was freaking 85 degrees at 10am, it's now up to 95.

Suburbanite · #25 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 05:02 PM

my "air conditioning" doesnt extend to my bedroom, ugg

oceanbreeze · #26 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

my "air conditioning" doesnt extend to my bedroom, ugg

I'm in AZ, I don't even have A/C, I have a freaking "evaporator cooler" known as a swamp cooler. But, at least we have comfortable living conditions compared to those living in China and Burma right now.

wow · #27 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 05:42 PM

If we do not torture these terrorists, they will start surrendering in hopes of being sent to Gitmo.
For many, it will be the best living conditions they have had in their lives.

wolf_22 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Torture doesn't work against innocent people, they will say what they think torturers want to hear. Torture can work against those who have information that needs to be extracted.

thats not true. even people with information will at times lie- either mixing truth with lies or being smart enough to give false info very quickly.
and think about everytime we do torture an innocent person- there is no fixing that and we get lots of bad info.
and what happens when someone with infomation tells it all and we keep torturing for more?
they will start making stuff up.
torture doesn't work and is ethically reprehensible.

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

Being able to get someone to agree to something is part of the unmaking of their world. However, don't confuse the situation, they never lie once. Their world is unmade, they're completely absolved of a cohesive language. They can't think thoughts with the ease you and I think thoughts. Of course they are confused, admit to anything to tell them to, sign anything you want; but they also ALWAYS give up everything first, information, their loved ones, everything. They go to EVERY possible length to save themselves and bring their sense of world back to them

they lie. plain and simple.
back during the witch hunts they'd show people the tools they used for torture and they wouldn't even have to use them. people would just start lying.
torture provides us with no valuable assests and has far too many negative points to ever be considered a useful tool.