Reincarnation is ridiculous

Suburbanite · #1 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 04:23 PM

Its such an obvious and desperate fantasy like heaven. I wish it wasn't so stupid, because I'd love to be reborn. But, clearly, that can't be the case, as our population grows and of course there is no such thing as a soul.

TakuanSoho · #2 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 04:37 PM

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Its such an obvious and desperate fantasy like heaven. I wish it wasn't so stupid, because I'd love to be reborn. But, clearly, that can't be the case, as our population grows and of course there is no such thing as a soul.

Hummmm, if you want I could play devil's advocate on this one.

Suburbanite · #3 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 04:43 PM

please, or something.... this forum needs a swift kick in the ass

sotmfs · #4 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 04:50 PM

I don't know if reincarnation is a reality.Yes I do know,it isn't.
But I do know there is know life after death.
Ask any dead person.

wolf_22 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 09:22 PM

well, I do believe in the soul.
I'd have to logically say not everyone is reincarnated. and many people who believe in reincarnation agree.

hindus think that you must lead a good life to finally get to the afterlife. thus you are reincarnated until you do the right thing and live a good/moral life.

some would go further and say only certain people are reincarnated. that either its a choice (pass on or come back) or only those who die really tramatic, unnoticed deaths. a way for a person to reexperience life and hoepfully have someone know their story.

I'm personally half/half on this. I could more see benign possession by wondering souls. has anyone by change seen the documentaries on children who claim to be reincarnated?
some are fairly convincing.
and most all center around people who didn't die from natural causes and many whom died alone or at least without someone knowing about it.

like all things concerning the afterlife. no one knows for sure until it happens. and once you know you can't report back and make people believe you.

Drogyn · #6 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 12:44 AM

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well, I do believe in the soul.

Why? I trust you have a very nice, tidy, logical reason for believe this, or else, why would you?

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I'd have to logically say not everyone is reincarnated. and many people who believe in reincarnation agree.

I think you mean "I'd have to logically say everyone is not reincarnated." You just got a little turned around, that's all.

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hindus think that you must lead a good life to finally get to the afterlife. thus you are reincarnated until you do the right thing and live a good/moral life.

some would go further and say only certain people are reincarnated. that either its a choice (pass on or come back) or only those who die really tramatic, unnoticed deaths. a way for a person to reexperience life and hoepfully have someone know their story.

I'm personally half/half on this. I could more see benign possession by wondering souls. has anyone by change seen the documentaries on children who claim to be reincarnated?
some are fairly convincing.
and most all center around people who didn't die from natural causes and many whom died alone or at least without someone knowing about it.

I've seen a couple of documentaries on reincarnation, not kids specifically, but reincarnation. Same bullcrap all reincarnation nutbags regurgitate.

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like all things concerning the afterlife. no one knows for sure until it happens. and once you know you can't report back and make people believe you.

True as this is, it doesn't stop us (Well, some of us) from holding logical opinions. Not knowing is no excuse for making shit up.

wolf_22 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 01:05 AM

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Why? I trust you have a very nice, tidy, logical reason for believe this, or else, why would you?
part of it is my religion. my intuition. and somepersonal beliefs/experiences I don't feel comfortable enough to share.

I think you mean "I'd have to logically say everyone is not reincarnated." You just got a little turned around, that's all.

I've seen a couple of documentaries on reincarnation, not kids specifically, but reincarnation. Same bullcrap all reincarnation nutbags regurgitate.

some believe we can't remember past lives or see ghosts or anything of that nature once we age.
the kids present an interesting angel because they have limited knowledge about the past. a historian was brought in for one child who said he was a soldier in the civil war. the pictures he drew were historically accurate. I wnot' go into the whole story unless you are really interested. it was rather convincing or at the very least, made me wonder if reincarnation (in any form) could be real

True as this is, it doesn't stop us (Well, some of us) from holding logical opinions. Not knowing is no excuse for making shit up.

its hard to deal with things where one can't get 100% accurate proof. and its impossible to justify faith or to explain personal intuition.
we can talk about it, but generally there won't be much convincing. perhaps some questioning and reaffirmer of beliefs, but not outright convincing.

Drogyn · #8 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 02:00 AM

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its hard to deal with things where one can't get 100% accurate proof. and its impossible to justify faith or to explain personal intuition.
we can talk about it, but generally there won't be much convincing. perhaps some questioning and reaffirmer of beliefs, but not outright convincing.

I don't believe that's true. A properly structured debate (A true rarity) is a very convincing environment. We'll never get that here, but we can still reconvince each other. I'm quite convinced, as are you, and neither of us can know, as neither of us has died.

It's about what can justifiably be held as true. And I (this isn't a jibe, it's my observation) sincerely don't think you've thought about this and a few other things very thoroughly.

And I am quite interested in this reincarnation discussion, so if you have any links regarding this thing with kids, or could recount the story, I'd be interested.

Suburbanite · #9 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 03:25 AM

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I'm personally half/half on this. I could more see benign possession by wondering souls. has anyone by change seen the documentaries on children who claim to be reincarnated?
some are fairly convincing

If you were an Eskimo, I'd be able to sell you snow.

quick question, if people are being reincarnated how are their more people now than in the past. Some people are just new souls? Whats with this clearly over the top ridiculous understanding of the world? Souls can be new and eternal? Or what? I don't get this line of thinking, it makes no sense.

wolf_22 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 08:33 AM

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If you were an Eskimo, I'd be able to sell you snow.

quick question, if people are being reincarnated how are their more people now than in the past. Some people are just new souls? Whats with this clearly over the top ridiculous understanding of the world? Souls can be new and eternal? Or what? I don't get this line of thinking, it makes no sense.

read what I wrote.
I will reiterate a few points for you.

1- some believe reincarnation isn't a permanent state
(and some go further to say that not all souls are created at the same time. this theory explains over population since obviously not enough souls are passing on)

2- some believe only those who die tramaticly or obscurly are reincarnated. (think about a soul too freaked out after death to pass on and is given a second chance... or as I pointed out benign possestion by a wandering soul

DROGYN: let me go dig around later. I'm signing off in a few minutes. after I finish my breakfast actually