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05-21-2008, 11:08 AM
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But, clearly, that can't be the case, as our population grows and of course there is no such thing as a soul.
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>>>I can't either believe or disbelieve in a 'soul'. If there is a soul, it is beyond our comprehension. But so are most things.
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05-21-2008, 09:41 PM
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in a world where we discover truths, then yes, there are a lot of things beyond our comprehension, but in a world where we create truth nothing is beyond our comprehension, and no information is privileged.
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05-25-2008, 02:37 PM
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Water is beyond the comprehension of a fish, even a most intelligent fish.
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05-25-2008, 03:15 PM
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comprehension in general is beyond a fish. one needs language to comprehend anything.
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05-26-2008, 03:12 PM
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comprehension in general is beyond a fish. one needs language to comprehend anything.
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A newborn can comprehend the significance of their mother's breast milk but language helps. The point was that we are often unaware of the most obvious. If that doesn't help then imagine a talking fish.
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05-26-2008, 03:31 PM
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Its such an obvious and desperate fantasy like heaven. I wish it wasn't so stupid, because I'd love to be reborn. But, clearly, that can't be the case, as our population grows and of course there is no such thing as a soul.
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I hope you're right Burb...I'd hate to be reborn onto this MadHouse Planet again, and again,,and again....
That's a nauseous thought.
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05-26-2008, 03:35 PM
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A newborn can comprehend the significance of their mother's breast milk but language helps. The point was that we are often unaware of the most obvious. If that doesn't help then imagine a talking fish.
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children dont comprehend sucking on a mother's breast, they have no language, thats why you cant remember it. if you can remember it your mom was breast feeding YOU for too long
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05-26-2008, 04:23 PM
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children dont comprehend sucking on a mother's breast, they have no language, thats why you cant remember it. if you can remember it your mom was breast feeding YOU for too long
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They can't remember it because their "declarative memory" has not developed. It's called infantile amnesia. When a small fish sees a large fish it "comprehends" danger. Language comes after comprehension. Language involves the ability to communicate one's comprehension using symbols, and comprehend is to grasp the signifiance of an association: "Stove...Hot = don't touch" whether you know the words or not. Course I don't have a Ed.D
I hate the lag when typing.
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05-26-2008, 04:45 PM
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They can't remember it because their "declarative memory" has not developed. It's called infantile amnesia. When a small fish sees a large fish it "comprehends" danger. Language comes after comprehension. Language involves the ability to communicate one's comprehension using symbols, and comprehend is to grasp the signifiance of an association: "Stove...Hot = don't touch" whether you know the words or not. Course I don't have a Ed.D
I hate the lag when typing.
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Language is not medium through which we, the subject, interact with the world, the object. That is an illusion brought on by the syntax of our own grammar. Language is not symbols, language is a series of metaphors. "Comprehension" is an illusive concept called a metaphor. A metaphor is an arbitrary concept, a word, used to define or give meaning to something without actually relating in any tangible way to the object. Often its a sound, which is later made into a symbol. Language is the evolution of our metaphors, its highly specific and individualized in one sense and completely social in another. Don't be confused by the poor metaphors of early philosophers and scientists. Infantile amnesia? Clearly we're talking about the same process, except my interpretation isn't trying to masquerade its arbitrary association by hiding behind scientific nomenclature. As if somehow science was "truth". I'm trying to give you a metaphor which will work in the context of language. "Stove...Hot = don't touch" You make it seem as if "stove...hot" is somehow outside of language (yet clearly you used words) and "don't touch" is within language? Thats not the case, as evident in the fact that you couldn't describe any of that so called "comprehension" without language. What do you think? You don't think in a language? Of course you do!
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05-31-2008, 12:49 PM
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Sure life does. To live, to survive, unlike inanimate matter.
Not a fallacy.
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Of course it is a fallacy. You think that because creatures are willing to kill other creatures for sustenance that this is the meaning of life?
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Again incorrect. Life gains experience on how to survive better through the process of physical evolution then passes that genetic knowledge onto it's offspring.
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No, that is now how evolution works, bro. Read a book, search wikipedia for natural selection. There is no genetic passing of information, straight up stupid.
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Easy.
1. Color blindness.
2. The brain is one of the easiest things to trick PRECISELY because of the senses. Ask any magician.
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You're just presuming that there is some kind of right way in which to percieve something, some ultimate truth way to see everything, and the fact is people are perceiving things differently, not because they are tricked but because they create their own world. Being color-blind is not a trick, its a different way to view the color spectrum which can have its own uniquely valuable aspects.
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