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05-19-2008, 09:53 AM
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On reincarnation (part 2)
(J) Desire for other forms of earthly experience can only be
extinguished by undergoing them. It is obvious that any one of
us, if now translated to the unseen world, would feel regret that
he had not tasted existence in some other situation or
surroundings. He would wish to have known what it was to possess
rank or wealth or beauty, or to live in a different race or
climate, or to see more of the world and society. No spiritual
ascent could progress while earthly longings were dragging back
the soul, and so it frees itself from them by successively
securing and dropping them. When the round of such knowledge has
been traversed, regret for ignorance has died out.
(g) Reincarnations give scope for exact justice to every man.
True awards must be given largely on the plane whereon they have
been incurred, else their nature is changed, their effects are
impaired, and their collateral bearings lost. Physical outrage
has to be checked by the infliction of physical pain, and not
merely by the arousing of internal regret. Honest lives find
appropriate consequence in visible honor. But one career is too
short for the precise balancing of accounts, and many are needed
that every good or evil done in each may be requited on the earth
where it took place.
(h) Reincarnations secure variety and copiousness to the
discipline we all require. Very much of this discipline comes
through the senses, through the conditions of physical life, and
through psycho-physiological processes -- all of which would be
absent from a postmortem state. Considered as training or as
penal infliction for wrong done, a repeated return to earth is
needful for fullness of discipline.
(i) Reincarnations ensure a continuous advance in the successive
races of men. If each new-born child was a new soul-creation,
there would be, except through heredity, no general human
advance. But if such child is the flower of many incarnations,
he expresses an achieved past as well as a possible future. The
tide of life thus rises to greater heights, each wave mounting
higher upon the shore. The grand evolution of richer types
exacts profusion of earth-existences for its success.
These points illustrate the universal maxim that "Nature does
nothing by leaps." She does not, in this case, introduce into a
region of spirit and spiritual life a being who has known little
else than matter and material life, with small comprehension even
of that. To do so would be analogous to transferring suddenly a
ploughboy into a company of metaphysicians. The pursuit of any
topic implies some preliminary acquaintance with its nature,
aims, and mental requirements; and the more elevated the topic,
the more copious the preparation for it.
It is inevitable that a being who has before him an eternity of
progress through zones of knowledge and spiritual experience ever
nearing the central Sun should be fitted for it through long
acquisition of the faculties which alone can deal with it. Their
delicacy, their vigor, their penetrativeness, and their
unlikeness to those called for on the material plane show the
contrast of the earth-life to the spirit-life. And they show,
too, the inconceivability of a sudden transition from one to the
other, of a policy unknown in any other department of Nature's
workings, of a break in the law of uplifting through Evolution.
A man, before he can become a "god", must first become a perfect
man; and he can become a perfect man neither in seventy years of
life on earth, nor in any number of years of life in which human
conditions are absent.
The production of a pure, rich, ethereal nature through a long
course of spiritualizing influence during material surroundings
is illustrated in agriculture by the cotton plant. When the time
arrives that it can bear, the various vitalities of sun and air
and ground and stalk culminate in a bud which bursts apart and
liberates the ball within. That white, fleecy, delicate mass is
the outcome of years of adhesion to the soil. But the sunlight
and the rain from heaven have transformed heavy particles into
the light fabric of the boll. And so man, long rooted in the
clay, is bathed with influences from above, which as they
gradually pervade and elevate him, transmute every grosser
element to its spiritual equivalent, purge and purify and ennoble
him, and when the evolutionary process is complete, remove the
last envelope from the perfected soul and leave it free to pass
forever from its union with the material.
It is abundantly true that "except a man be born again he cannot
see the kingdom of God." Rebirth and re-life must go on until
their purposes are accomplished. If, indeed, we were mere
victims of an evolutionary law, helpless atoms on which the
machinery of Nature pitilessly played, the prospect of a
succession of incarnations, no one of which gave satisfaction,
might drive to mad despair.
Theosophy thrusts on us no such cheerless exposition. It shows
that reincarnations are the law for man because they are the
condition of his progress, which is also a law, but tells him
that he may mould them and better them and lessen them. He
cannot rid himself of the machinery, but neither should he wish
to.
Endowed with the power to guide it for the best, prompted with
the motive to use that power, he may harmonize both his
aspirations and his efforts with the system that expresses the
infinite wisdom of the Supreme, and through the journey from the
temporal to the eternal tread the way with steady feet, braced
with the consciousness that he is one of an innumerable
multitude, and with the certainty that he and they alike, if they
so will it, may attain finally to that sphere where birth and
death are but memories of the past.
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05-19-2008, 02:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crowonapost
To most persons not already Theosophists, no doctrine appears
more singular than that of Reincarnation, i.e., that each man is
repeatedly born into earth-life; for the usual belief is that we
are here but once, and once for all determine our future. And
yet it is abundantly clear that one life, even if prolonged, is
no more adequate to gain knowledge, acquire experience, solidify
principle, and form character than would one day in infancy be
adequate to fit for the duties of mature manhood.
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Fallacy 1: This guy assume life has an agenda, an intention, a purpose
Fallacy 2: somehow that purpose to to "get knowledge", which neither exists not is a sufficient condition
Quote:
Originally Posted by crowonapost
Any man can make this even clearer by estimating, on the one
hand, the probable future which Nature contemplates for humanity,
and on the other, his present preparation for it. That future
includes evidently two things -- an elevation of the individual
to god-like excellence, and his gradual apprehension of the
Universe of Truth.
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This is also bullshit, completely unsubstantiated. See Fallacies 1 and 2
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Originally Posted by crowonapost
His present preparation therefore consists of a very imperfect
knowledge of a very small department of one form of existence,
and that mainly gained through the partial use of misleading
senses;
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How could senses be misleading? Cartesian dualism is only to going to make me disagree with you more. Alright, I'm done, I guess I'm not "patient" but I read too much philosophy to be interrupted by this moron and these REALLY fantastically stupid basely useless ideas.
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05-19-2008, 04:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Suburbanite
Fallacy 1: This guy assume life has an agenda, an intention, a purpose
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Sure life does. To live, to survive, unlike inanimate matter.
Not a fallacy.
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Fallacy 2: somehow that purpose to to "get knowledge", which neither exists not is a sufficient condition
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Again incorrect. Life gains experience on how to survive better through the process of physical evolution then passes that genetic knowledge onto it's offspring.
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How could senses be misleading? Cartesian dualism is only to going to make me disagree with you more. Alright, I'm done, I guess I'm not "patient" but I read too much philosophy to be interrupted by this moron and these REALLY fantastically stupid basely useless ideas.
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Easy.
1. Color blindness.
2. The brain is one of the easiest things to trick PRECISELY because of the senses. Ask any magician.

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05-19-2008, 07:31 PM
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How could senses be misleading?
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are you kidding?
our senses can always mislead us. cover one eye and look at something far away- your sense of sight and distance will be wrong. get sick and see how things taste different. touch things with calouses on your hands.
our senses are not infallible by any means
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05-19-2008, 07:38 PM
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The wife held a seance in order to talk to her deceased husband.
He was contacted and she asked him what his "life" was like in his new surroundings,heavon.
He answered all I do is eat and have sex.She replied are you in heavon?
Hell no,Iam a rabbit in montana.
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05-19-2008, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf_22
are you kidding?
our senses can always mislead us. cover one eye and look at something far away- your sense of sight and distance will be wrong. get sick and see how things taste different. touch things with calouses on your hands.
our senses are not infallible by any means
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how is that misleading? its intention was to do exactly that which it did, where is the mislead? you guys are fucking retarded metaphysicians, i can't debate this with you
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05-20-2008, 12:23 AM
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Our senses tell us: we are the center of creation and everything revolves around us, that the earth is flat, that time is a constant, that death is the end of life, and that our senses are truthful.
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05-20-2008, 12:51 PM
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i feel like our senses demonstrate that the earth is round, hence you can't see infinitely in any direction, that death is the end, and that our existence revolved around ourselves. sounds about right to me
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05-20-2008, 04:17 PM
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i feel like our senses demonstrate that the earth is round, hence you can't see infinitely in any direction, that death is the end, and that our existence revolved around ourselves. sounds about right to me
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I can agree that my eyes allow me to know the world is round, that death is the end of this life, but my existance doesn't revolve around myself. at some points it does, but there are many times where I'm not the primary focus. I can't say god is ever the sole focus with me, but God is a fairly big chunk of my life at times.
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how is that misleading? its intention was to do exactly that which it did, where is the mislead? you guys are fucking retarded metaphysicians, i can't debate this with you
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its misleading because thats not how things really are 90% of the time. distance doesn't actually change. covering one eye tricks you into thinking the distance is different.
your favorite food is the same when you are sick, your body just can't taste correctly. it alters and misleads you and you taste it differently.
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05-21-2008, 03:35 AM
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Let's just say that reincarnation is as much a Christian belief as it is a belief in any other cult or Religion
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