I think that is an assumption that you cannot prove. Show me an instance where the mind has existed without the brain. If you cannot, the other argument that you claim that the brain can exist without the mind is invalid.

Now while I can theorize that it may be possible to recreate a human "mind" outside of the body, until it is possible to do it, I don't think that is really evidence because theory is not reality.

You misintirprite me. I never stated that the mind mind can exist without the brain. In fact I stated that the "mind and brain are two seperate human functions that merely occupy the same space."

Someone can be "brain dead", meaning the mind is no longer operating, while the physical brain is still there keeping the body functioning.

The "mind", of course, consists of the ego/superego, our personalities, thoughts, emotions, id, etc. In other words the "corporeal" portions of a human being.

The "brain" is the physical organ which houses the above, as well as governing sight, speech, motorcontrol, automatic processes, etc.

I have always found it interesting how niave and downright childish non-believers are.

Let us take this thread for example..... if one trully is a non-believer then why waste your time talking about somethinmg you say is unreal?

They say they dislike christians.... think they are stupid.... then openly start threads that practically beg christians to talk to them about the subject.

It is like a child who prefers negative attention to no attention at all.

Now I do not believe in the bermuda triangle..... nope really don't and guess what I have never wasted my time putting a thread up to talk about it... get it?????

If you really want scientific logic to prove that there is a God, the only question I have is if it is proven to be true, would you admit it? orrrr
Would you continue to deny it so that you could continue living the kind of life you do in hope that there never will be a day of reconing with God?

Now I am not going to point out a lot of biblical scripture as I see that as a waste of time because you give no belief in such evidence.

I am going to us logic and odds.... mathematical odds of whether there is a God or not. I do not believe things just because I am taught it or told it....

I make my own desicions....

First let me say that to prosume to call millions of believers as retards and that you alone know the truth is foolish to say the least....

I want to simply ask. WHAT ARE THE ODDS.....

that the earth is just close enough to the son that we don't freeze and just far enough away that we don't die of heat....

that the earth just happens to sit at an axis that allows us to have "four seasons" winter spring summer and fall" that constantly allows the earth to replenish itself...... just by chance.....

that everything that we need to survive just happens to be here....

such as oxygen, water, and all exactly in the amounts that we need to live and thrive....

that the earth happens to have material that as mankind has progressed over the years he has found that the use of certain materials can be turned into other materials to his benefit.....

such as who would have thought that rotten food would be able to be used to cure disease? such as with penisilon....

Sand was just sand it was useless.... until we found out how to make glass.... Just happened to be here...

How about the food chains for every species....

Lets just take mankind as this post should only be so long.....

Are their fruit trees growing on Mars? Why not?

How about dogs on Jupiter? why not?

Why is it that everyother place is barren and dead accept for us?

I have listened to the big bang theory.... it is nonsense and any decent scientist Knows it..... first of all, to have a big bang... something would have to have existed to explode.... so if there are particals that explode than the explosion is not the "beginning"....

Also I have worked with demolitions in my life C-4 and such.....

the only thing that comes from an explosion is a mess.....

things are not created by explosions they are destroyed by them.....

It takes intelligence to create something.... things do not create themselves over any given amount of time... believeing they do such as saying it all evolved into what it is today... is like saying that if I put some metal in my yard, and blass, and rubber, etc that given 200 years it would become a car on its own... it is utter foolishness....

We as humans are very intricate and delicate and hugly tough things to figure out....

the best minds in the world have not been able to put an end to death.....

Many diseases are still way out of reach of being cure though millions upon millions of dollars ahve been pumped into trying for years... cancer is a good example. Now this is with the best minds of humans working at it day and night.

For life to have been formed all on its own just out of the blue with no intelligent being involved folks is utter nonsense....

Things cannot create themselves..... babies do not pop out of the woods...

they need a mother and father to make love and mommy to get pregnant and still it takes nine months for them to form protected inside the mothers womb... constantly being fed by the mother.....

To think that in the beginning a big bang happened and over some years we all just "came about" is just nonsense...

There had to be an intelligence that planned all of this.....

It is the only logical possibility.....

Call him or her or it Fred or God.......

Something made us.... something that is far beyond our ability to understand....

we as humans just think we know it all, we don't.

Believers in God are not retards, in truth they simply have come to conclussions that you have yet to get to....

I believe in God.... This is the word we all call this entity so I will use it....

I believe he loves us.... just as we have a "natural" love of our children since we created them... I believe he loves us....

He created us and then gave us this planet and our lives to do with as we please.... Just as with our children he set down certain rules... he knew would be best for us. The ten commandments are a good example....

don't kill, or lie, or steal, etc

Those who live by these rules tend to be happy those who do not tend to end up in a life of jail, poverty, depression etc.

Each one of us has been given a life to do with as we please...

Some will choose good, others will not......

Some will go to heaven some will go to hell.....

People not wanting to be responsible for their actions or not wanting to believe there are consequences for their actions of course prefer to scoff at such ideas... I do not blame them.... Hell is preety terrifying....

If I knew that was the road I was going to choose... I would prefer not to believe it as well... it is quite understandable....

I hope you and others who choose to think like you do change your minds in time, I really do..... We are given oppertunities throughout our lives....

some we take others we choose to ignore and later wish we had taken that oppertunity while it was available....

To all of you who do not have God in your life.... this is an oppertunity....

To those of you who are thinking "ya know what he says makes sense" go talk to a minister.... methodist, babtist, etc God gave us a simple way to contact him... it is called prayer.... he is not a spammer.... he does not barrage you with unwanted messages.... he waits till you wanna talk....

I hope that this has heklped someone out there.

Viking

I understand the concept, I just don't find it all too convincing. The "mind" is at best a process of the brain, but I don't consider it something different any more than a car that cannot run is now not a car but something else.

A car that cannot run is an enormouse paperweight.

As I stated, the mind is a seperate process, as you note, but that is also part of the human being.

The human being is, of course, made up of many parts, and the mind, and spirit, are merely parts of that whole.

Your rather overly long and arrogant post is exactly why the Athiests draw in people who hold religious values like yours.

They enjoy baiting the overly religious and making them look mentally deficient.

BTW, your ideas on Creationism are rather flawed as well.

I am not going to respond rudely to you.....

I will simply point out to any and all reading how you where unable to point anything out that I said as being wrong.

Atheists simply are children that have not grown up yet, we still love them and wait upon them.

There is hope.

God teaches us all in different ways....

One may find a loved one in the hospital with a doctor saying there is no hope and a miracle will happen right in front of their eyes....

God chooses to reach us all in different ways.....

why did you feel the "need" to be rude to me?

Viking

As a non-Abrahamic Theist, someone who looks to gods much older than yours, I find your prostylizing arrogant, insulting, and rude.

I replied in kind to the statements you made.

Your scriptures are, to put it mildly, full of not only parables and good lessons, but theopolitical agenda lies and deceit as well. The "one god" thing for one example, creationism is another.

Live your life as you see fit. It's still a free country after all, despite continued theocratic attempts by the ChristoTaliban portion of your religion. However, continue being arrogant and rude, and you can damn well expect the same in return.

Well, we know Republicans are

>>>He must've had a change of mind. At one point he said that it is "impossible that there is a god/impossible that there isn't a god." Or something to that effect.

And it is possible that the Jews are the "chosen" people. I just wish God had told us what they were chosen for.