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06-08-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wolf_22
anyone who follows blindly is a retard. believing in god or jesus doesn't make one a retard.
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Well put!I agree.
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06-08-2008, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NAT
Sorry no, I'm not.
A portion of the scientific community support the Big Bang Theory.
I agree with those who do not beleive in the BB Theory, and hold that the Universe simply always was, has been, is, and always will be.
No BB Theory, no Creationism/ID.
And it still remains a "truth" that the scientific community has validity in what they have already shown, and that the religious community has squat.
So feel free to provide even one item of proof for Creationism.
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that universe theory sounds sort of like god...you know..always was always is..always will be.
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06-09-2008, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Truthwrappedinlies
that universe theory sounds sort of like god...you know..always was always is..always will be.
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The concept of any god is simply unprovable.
Otherwise, it would cease to be religion and faith.
Also, the Universe is not a thinking entity, so your connection of the two I cannot agree with in the least.
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06-09-2008, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NAT
The concept of any god is simply unprovable.
Otherwise, it would cease to be religion and faith.
Also, the Universe is not a thinking entity, so your connection of the two I cannot agree with in the least.
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you're right...you can't draw a connection between eternal. It's funny though how you think matter just came from nowhere..that it just always was. EVERYTHING that science CAN PROVE has a start and a finish.
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06-09-2008, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dab11999
Darwinism is flawed thinking. It always will be. There is no missing link because none ever existed. One species cannot develop into another species. Species can develop within a species, nothing more.
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We invented a new species, called dog. It used to just be wolves, foxes, and coyotes. Thats one species coming from another species. There are thousands of examples. You find this a lot in bird species, because of SEXUAL selection, particular birds evolve male ornamentation different than another group of the same species does. For example, there are several birds similar to peacocks, all coming originally from the same species. However, though they share a relatively similar anatomy, their coloration are vastly different. As a result of sexual selection these species of birds can no longer inter-mate.
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Originally Posted by Truthwrappedinlies
i'd just like for one person to name something jesus did that they find intolerable..or even WRONG for that matter.
please do.
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The sermon on the mount where he condemns homosexuality and other things as sins worthy of eternal damnation. Also, he picked shitty friends.
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06-09-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
The sermon on the mount where he condemns homosexuality
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Granted it has been a long time since I read it, but where does he do that? Got the relevant passage?
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06-09-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
We invented a new species, called dog. It used to just be wolves, foxes, and coyotes.
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Where did you get that notion?
It's false. Check the beast in my avitar - that is a Dingo - a dog species which still isn't domesticated for the most part. But they are dogs, not wolves. Also - dogs split from wolves about 2 million years ago, where the symbiosis of man and dog began perhaps 100,000 years ago.
Breeding has created a variety of breeds and types, but dogs are a natural species. We didn't create them any more than we created cows or horses. We manipulate all of these animals through breeding.
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06-09-2008, 03:45 PM
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fine, the dingo is a the most dog like of dog's early ancestor, but as far as the modern domesticated dog, some of which can not interbreed, its a lot of unique species. either way, your point only confuses the issue, which isn't the breeding of dogs but how evolution operates to create unique creatures, of which I've mentioned more than just dogs.
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06-09-2008, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
either way, your point only confuses the issue, which isn't the breeding of dogs but how evolution operates to create unique creatures, of which I've mentioned more than just dogs.
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I disagree. You have confused the issue of natural selection with selective breeding.
Evolution is driven by the adaptation of species to their environments. The stimulus is either the need for an advantage in hunting or mating. This is an entirely separate phenomenon from selective breeding - which often highlights traits that are not positive to the survival of the species.
If you follow the chain of fish, to lungfish to amphibian - selective breeding had nothing to do with it. The dry seasons created an environment where the ability to derive oxygen from air was an advantage. As that trait developed, soon legs as a means of moving on land followed. All driven by the need to survive a hostile environment.
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06-09-2008, 05:38 PM
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I disagree. You have confused the issue of natural selection with selective breeding.
Evolution is driven by the adaptation of species to their environments. The stimulus is either the need for an advantage in hunting or mating. This is an entirely separate phenomenon from selective breeding - which often highlights traits that are not positive to the survival of the species.
If you follow the chain of fish, to lungfish to amphibian - selective breeding had nothing to do with it. The dry seasons created an environment where the ability to derive oxygen from air was an advantage. As that trait developed, soon legs as a means of moving on land followed. All driven by the need to survive a hostile environment.
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This is a common misconception. The way evolution works is not strictly natural selection (survival of the fittest). Evolution is a combination of natural selection and sexual selection. Sexual selection is responsible for a big part of the equation. To begin with, like selective breeding, sexual selection can produce unhealthy and disadvantageous adaptations. What happens is a specie can get caught in an infinite feedback loop in which males are selected for aesthetic qualities (bright colors, antlers, etc). The way it works is that male species will only produce offspring with higher chances of more and more intense sexual ornamentation. The females will breed children who evolve to desire these aesthetic sexual ornaments even more. The result are creatures like peacocks, which have become different species from the original foul/pheasant family. You can see sexual selection at work all around you, including race. How do you think white people evolved? It wasn't like black people can't survive in France.
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