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Old 06-03-2008, 05:28 PM
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All you really need to know, ob and bbb:

Christians can coexist with atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
Atheists can coexist with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
Jews can coexist with Christians, atheists, , Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
Buddhists can coexist with Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims and Hindus.
Hindus can coexist with Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists -- no matter how inferior they remain.
Muslims just want to cut your fucking head off.

Seriously, who gives a rat's ass what you dipsticks think about religion?

Hard to argue with that.
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Old 06-03-2008, 05:36 PM
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I do not spout what I am taught in chuirch.....

I use mathematical odds.....
Please, do share your calculations.

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If I told you that an explosion caused a beginning and over enough time sand was able to become glass all on its own... what would you think?
If I told you that a drop of water could dig a canyon 7000 feet deep, what would you say? Would you claim that the finger of god stretched forth and dug the earth?

But not a lowly drop of water.

Yet, it is fact - undeniable. That drop - coupled with billions like it, dug the grand canyon.

That's what evolution is like. The small scale over billions of years, accumulating to the very complex.
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Old 06-05-2008, 03:48 AM
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His body was paralyzed...not dead. No dead body could supply oxygen to the brain and without that the brain dies quickly.
If they took him off of life support (moot now I know), he would have died within minutes when his brain starved of oxygen.

His body, for all intents and purposes, was an animated corpse.
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I do not spout what I am taught in chuirch.....

I use mathematical odds.....

If I told you that an explosion caused a beginning and over enough time sand was able to become glass all on its own... what would you think?

If i said metal could forge itself.... what would you say?

If I said that the computer you are working on would be able to build itself and put the intricate files and be able to learn all on its own with no one building it.... sounds absurd does it not.....

The human brain is able to learn, it is able to send electronic messages to different parts of the body.....

Do you really believe that this all happened on its own? really?

Have you ever seen anything build itself, provide an environment for itself to live in, and to have everything it needs for not only to eat and dring but that when it becomes ill the things it needs is all around it.

All with no type of intelligence....

I am sorry it is impossible....

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I listen perfectly, thank you. It is you who is not listening to yourself.

You claim some spooky invisible guy came up with everything in the Universe, including the Universe itself, from the smallest bit of matter to the largest star.

Yet neither you, or anyone else on the whole freakin' planet, can come up with one iota of evidence. None, zilch, nada.

Here comes Evolution along to ruin your little religious circle jerk. Evolution has evidence to back it up.

Oops, Evolution 1, religion 0.

There's your "mathematical odds".
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...Here comes Evolution along to ruin your little religious circle jerk. Evolution has evidence to back it up.

Oops, Evolution 1, religion 0.

There's your "mathematical odds".
How might "evolution" explain abiogenesis?
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How might "evolution" explain abiogenesis?
In the natural sciences, abiogenesis, the question of the origin of life, is the study of how life on Earth emerged from non-life. Scientific consensus is that abiogenesis occurred sometime between 4.4 billion years ago, when water vapor first liquefied,[2] and 2.7 billion years ago, when the ratio of stable isotopes of carbon (12C and 13C), iron (56Fe, 57Fe, and 58Fe) and sulfur (32S, 33S, 34S, and 36S) points to a biogenic origin of minerals and sediments[3][4] and molecular biomarkers indicate photosynthesis.[5][6] This topic also includes panspermia and other exogenic theories regarding possible extra-planetary or extraterrestrial origins of life.[7]

Abiogenesis is a limited field of research despite its profound impact on biology and human understanding of the natural world. Progress in this field is generally slow and sporadic, though it still draws the attention of many due to the eminence of the question being investigated. Several hypotheses have been proposed, most notably the iron-sulfur world theory (metabolism first) and the RNA world hypothesis (genetics first).[8]
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read to your heart's content.
There are plenty of other sources on the net as well.
Keep in mind, merely becasue we are currently having some small difficulty in providing concrete proof, we are talking millions of eyars after all, doesn;t automatically open the door for the Big Spooky Guy.
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In the natural sciences, abiogenesis, the question of the origin of life, is the study of how life on Earth emerged from non-life. Scientific consensus is that abiogenesis occurred sometime between 4.4 billion years ago, when water vapor first liquefied,[2] and 2.7 billion years ago, when the ratio of stable isotopes of carbon (12C and 13C), iron (56Fe, 57Fe, and 58Fe) and sulfur (32S, 33S, 34S, and 36S) points to a biogenic origin of minerals and sediments[3][4] and molecular biomarkers indicate photosynthesis.[5][6] This topic also includes panspermia and other exogenic theories regarding possible extra-planetary or extraterrestrial origins of life.[7]

Abiogenesis is a limited field of research despite its profound impact on biology and human understanding of the natural world. Progress in this field is generally slow and sporadic, though it still draws the attention of many due to the eminence of the question being investigated. Several hypotheses have been proposed, most notably the iron-sulfur world theory (metabolism first) and the RNA world hypothesis (genetics first).[8]
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read to your heart's content.
There are plenty of other sources on the net as well.
Keep in mind, merely becasue we are currently having some small difficulty in providing concrete proof, we are talking millions of eyars after all, doesn;t automatically open the door for the Big Spooky Guy.
I know what it is, thanks anyhow.

Scientific consensus? What about scientific truth? Problem with their (your?) consensus is that something still can't come from nothing. Until it is shown otherwise it is philosophy, not science. Sorry, but unfortunately you are indeed referring to "philosophy of science" rather than science.
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I know what it is, thanks anyhow.

Scientific consensus? What about scientific truth? Problem with their (your?) consensus is that something still can't come from nothing. Until it is shown otherwise it is philosophy, not science. Sorry, but unfortunately you are indeed referring to "philosophy of science" rather than science.
Sorry no, I'm not.

A portion of the scientific community support the Big Bang Theory.

I agree with those who do not beleive in the BB Theory, and hold that the Universe simply always was, has been, is, and always will be.

No BB Theory, no Creationism/ID.

And it still remains a "truth" that the scientific community has validity in what they have already shown, and that the religious community has squat.

So feel free to provide even one item of proof for Creationism.
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Sorry no, I'm not.

A portion of the scientific community support the Big Bang Theory.

I agree with those who do not beleive in the BB Theory, and hold that the Universe simply always was, has been, is, and always will be.

No BB Theory, no Creationism/ID.

And it still remains a "truth" that the scientific community has validity in what they have already shown, and that the religious community has squat.

So feel free to provide even one item of proof for Creationism.
Consensus is by definition a majority of opinion, so in essence you are by your own admission presenting opinion as fact. That is disingenuous at best, but based on other comments probably intentional. Your are presenting your "belief system" as fact, when it is nothing more than opinion, and likewise little more than "squat" itself.

Your presuppositions about a big spooky guy, while cute, demonstrate a narrow and closed-minded worldview. Pity that...one dimensional learning is a sorry state to be in.
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the idea of heaven being in the sky is only a parable. heaven could be another plane of existance that one can't go to until dead.
adam and eve? probably more of a parable as well.
but there are many studies on the soul. inclduing people who are pronouced dead, then revived and report remembering things from the inbetween time frame. there was a also a study that show the weight of a person before death decreases right after death. suggesting that the soul has weight and exists.
If the soul has weight, does it ever diet?
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