Its good to be called out for presenting the truth, it means that we are indeed having effect. It's also nice to think that Christianity rests squarely on my shoulders, as the only thing that I present are the "words" found to be exampled around 2000 years ago. For anything to have existed, nay not only existed but to have thrived in growing from just over a dozen or so supporters to encompass 1/3 the worlds population over two complete millennium must certainly have precedence over any liberal ideology of naturalism and secularism that has come to example only in the past century and demonstrated in the pure evil that it surely is, as everything evolves around the "ideology" of self interest, with true justice not even coming in a close second. As indeed man must have an example of righteous love and justice to lead him, for as the wise man of history once quoted, "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart: and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil." -- Proverbs 3:5-7 For surely it is not within man to direct his own paths, as they surely all lead to deception and unrighteousness. BD

If I am not mistaken, the rattle snake (defanged needless to say) is the "serpent" of choice in the West Virgina toolshed roadside "church". The same churches where incest and child rape are encouraged

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Yeah it hurts, you have been fucked by an Elephant !

"Happamia, sanoi kettu pihlajanmarjoista kun ei niihin yltänyt" ("Sour, said the fox about rowan berries, being unable to reach them"

I believe there is a sign above the door of those churches that say:

Yeshua's Tabernacle

All are welcome.

Have you heard the old recording of me trying to get Bluedog And His Child Molesting Choir to sing Temptation last time I was in the States"

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I think Africa seems the most logical, but really its hard to tell. The roman empire was still semi-okay with people having different religions but Christians and Jews alike still had run-ins with empires like this despite the fact that at home they could practice whatever faith they wanted. so there si a good chance they would have moved away and not just started a stronger base else where in europe, far from the roman capital

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I would say, if indeed the chriswtian fath could indeed find a venue to expand from, you are correct. i still think however, it w2ould at best be in the limited state of a faith like Janeism or Zarathustranism is today, little more then a curiosity

It would be facinating to see white. english and romance language speakng people following pOoytheism (although it can be argued that christianity is polythyeism, but that is another discussion)
It is also interesting bto speculate if Islam would have ever manifested itself n ? My guess would be probably not


THAT is funny stuff !

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"Happamia, sanoi kettu pihlajanmarjoista kun ei niihin yltänyt" ("Sour, said the fox about rowan berries, being unable to reach them"

It was already in Europe and both Asia and Africa had states that already made their empires/nations official religion Christian well before the Romans did.

There was already a strong base in Europe. Just do a minimal amount of research and see for yourself.

What don't you understand about the fact that Christianity was large and growing ever larger even before Constantine? What don't you undrestand that in cities all across the Roman world Christianity was getting stronger?

Maybe you should seek out people as ignorant as you are on this subject, but it may be tough to find.

Take note, of the attempted "stealth" in the use of a 3rd party proxy, so she will not get her pants directly "dusted" in any head to head debate? BD

As you see demonstrated, there is no manipulation of lies that can withstand the truth presented in the Word of God and actual history. Evil simply cannot match wits with the author of the scripts. I just love the fact that those that was once presented in "open hostilities" toward one another have now been reduced to making an allied attempt at defending one another's obvious lies. I hope they get together and lie to one another till their little black hearts are made content. Of course this will not happen as one tries to out spin the other in representative falsehoods. Anyone got any "popcorn"? Set back and enjoy the show. BD

God you are an idiot. I have already said that Christianity was not a "popular movement", but because you can't argue any of my points, you have to ignore what I say and continue to argue what you wished I would say. That generally is a good sign that you have NO understanding of the issues and are merely parroting what you have read elsewhere (my guess is from fiction, or if you have a tad of intelligence, Elaine Pagels).

Nicene was not a revolution in Christian thought, it was the confirmation of a process that had begun over 200 years earlier. Nothing it confirmed in 320 was new, everything it confirmed had been a major if not dominate part of Christianity from the beginning. We know this because we have plenty of pre-Nicene texts that show this. The other sects, Montanism, Ebionism, and Gnosticism were not major movements, they were small movements confined to a writing elite. The only serious challenger to Orthodoxy were the Arians, and even this wasn't much of a challenge in that Arians were primarily based on the fringes of the empire, where as Orthodoxy was strongest in the core urban centers.

I am not arguing that Constantine's conversion wasn't important, it was, but at the same time to say that if he hadn't converted Christianity would have died out is just plain wrong. All major changes are evolutionary in process, and Constantine's conversion was just another step along this evolution (which continued for another 500 years, and indeed is still occurring). If you cared to study this period, you would discover why Christianity won, and what it says about humanity. But you don't care to know, you rather have your simplistic good guys and bad guys, because, it seems, that is all you can handle.