What if Constantine had turned Hindu ?

bluedog · #21 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 11:01 AM

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What would fundamentalist atheism (oxymoron) entail pray (no pun intended) tell ?

The truth has often been the victim of being placed on "IGNORE". For indeed the one thing that can not be combated is the truth. BD

Dom1 · #22 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 11:03 AM

When fatty "ignores" (she still reads what is posted though, she has even admitted as much) she then has an excuse for not defending her inane posts.

She is clearly out of her league on this one and knows it.

Skinny Fatts · #23 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 01:57 PM

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What would fundamentalist atheism (oxymoron) entail pray (no pun intended) tell ?

Fundamentalism isn't unique to Christianity, or religion. It is, in fact, a strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles. For example, a fundy atheist might make an argument that Constantine sanctioned Christianity.

TakuanSoho · #24 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 02:05 PM

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And the only logical reason that Constantine could have chosen Christianity over the many and various other idol worshiping displays of religion that he had been exposed to from birth, would be the fact that he knew the real God of Creation when He was presented with the knowledge of such. Why would he have chosen some false religion like exampled in the Hindu faith, when he had been exposed to such false ideology from birth? BD

Constantine's mother was a Christian: "St Helena", and had a great amount of influence over him. His "conversion" was probably earnest, but it also related to his desire to move the capital out of Rome. Roman Paganism was based in Rome, and this gave the leaders there a certain amount of power. Constantine was the outsider and opponent of these leaders, so it shouldn't be surprising that he would want to undermine their position.

The rest of your post is pretty good. The idea that Constantine "created" Christianity belongs in fiction like "the devinci code" and "holy blood, holy grail". Constantine's support helped the church greatly, but by the time constantine supported it, it was already strong enough to stand on its own and was already well on its way towards standardization (which is what Nicene was really all about).

Gummer · #25 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 02:42 PM

As usual "shit for brains makes a fool of herself" extends her precious ignore list ....welcome aboard Nathan and blue dog ...... next she'll tell you your testicles must have "failed to drop" ..... apparently in her world if your nuts haven't haven't landed on her chin..... they haven't dropped yet....

smart makes a comeback · #26 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 03:08 PM

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Fundamentalism isn't unique to Christianity, or religion. It is, in fact, a strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles. For example, a fundy atheist might make an argument that Constantine sanctioned Christianity.

No, but anyone with any basic background in history above the grade school level, would know that that Constantine not only sanctioned Christianity, but mandated it.

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TakuanSoho
Constantine's mother was a Christian: "St Helena", and had a great amount of influence over him. His "conversion" was probably earnest, but it also related to his desire to move the capital out of Rome. Roman Paganism was based in Rome, and this gave the leaders there a certain amount of power. Constantine was the outsider and opponent of these leaders, so it shouldn't be surprising that he would want to undermine their position.

The rest of your post is pretty good. The idea that Constantine "created" Christianity belongs in fiction like "the devinci code" and "holy blood, holy grail". Constantine's support helped the church greatly, but by the time constantine supported it, it was already strong enough to stand on its own and was already well on its way towards standardization (which is what Nicene was really all about).

You are either missing the point, or you have no background on the history of Xian theology.
The tenants of modern Christianity are virtually all post Constantine.
Your contention that Christianity has any sort of consistent form beyond a patchwork of localized factions, or that it even resembled modern christanity prior to Nephi, is the ultimate in revisionist history.

TakuanSoho · #27 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 03:12 PM

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No, but anyone with any basic background in history above the grade school level, would know that that Constantine not only sanctioned Christianity, but mandated it.

LOL, this is why you need more than a basic understanding of history, because he did not "mandate" it.

He recognized it and cut off all most state funding for pagan religions, but he did not mandate it.

smart makes a comeback · #28 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 03:19 PM

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LOL, this is why you need more than a basic understanding of history, because he did not "mandate" it.

He recognized it and cut off all most state funding for pagan religions, but he did not mandate it.

Unmitigated laughable nonsense

Let me help you out here...Roman emporors, even at that late date, did not LOL..."cut off funding" to urge the adoption of their wishes.

That might just be, the most ignorant contention I have ever heard

TakuanSoho · #29 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 03:24 PM

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Unmitigated laughable nonsense

Let me help you out here...Roman emporors, even at that late date, did not LOL..."cut off funding" to urge the adoption of their wishes.

That might just be, the most ignorant contention I have ever heard

Perhaps, but it is also true.

Seriously dude, Constantine did not mandate it, Theodosius did. You can look it up if you care to be accurate and not sound like a complete idiot.

smart makes a comeback · #30 (**permalink**) 05-12-2008, 03:29 PM

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Perhaps, but it is also true.

Seriously dude, Constantine did not mandate it, Theodosius did. You can look it up if you care to be accurate and not sound like a complete idiot.

Theodosius made it the "official" religion yes (are we dealing with Semantics here ?) but make no mistake, Constintine made it the defacto state religion and did so at the point of his sword
Success and settlement at the ecumenical councils were NOT optional