>>>I just don't see how it's possible to live life entirely for or by yourself. You'd starve to death and/or go insane within a month. Nor do I see how you can be a slave to EVERYONE. You really can't even be a total slave to one person.

I am not sure that is what is being said.

As far as living 'entirely' for yourself, why coudn't one do that?

As far as would someone do it, most likely not. The rub is that if you do live your life for others as well then it shouldn't be mandated to do so but rather an individual choice.

Starving to death, how so? In a scenario where one lives "for themselves", it doesn't mean that they don't engage in a fair trade (dollars for food) with others.

Either way they are extreme examples.

Let's face it, since the dawn of time, man has organized himself into societies and clans. Being expelled from the clan meant death.

"live for yourself" does not mean "supply everything for yourself". You can trade for things that you want (i.e. I give cash for food).

>>>That still means you are dependent on someone to "sell" you the food. That ain't living for yourself. It means you are dependent on others. That means "society".

Rand does not speak of wolf man, she speaks of free traders. In Rand's society we would all deal with each other because we wanted to, not because we were forced to do so by government edict.

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If you decide that you want to associate with someone, then you are still living for yourself. If you decide you want to help others, then you are still living for yourself. If you decide that you want to trade certain rights (such as running a stop light) because you want to drive safely, that is still living for yourself.

>>>Even MORE irrational. If that's possible.

>>>And if you decide to run a red light because it's fun, who's to stop you. A government??? If you are depending on mankind to do the rational thang on their own, yer making a big mistake.

Not really. Again the issue is with your attempts to restrict the meaning of "self will".