Aynd Rand was the greatest philospher. Ever.

ricechickie · #**201** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by percysunshine

It is ok to cry Ricey. That does not make you any less conservative. The best plan is to first cry in a closet. Then open the door 1/4 , and cry. Then open it 1/2 and cry ... etc...

Worked for me.

LOL. Classic middle-of-the-road dilemma; I'm too conservative for some, and too liberal for others.

percysunshine · #**202** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

LOL. Classic middle-of-the-road dilemma; I'm too conservative for some, and too liberal for others.

I knew you were a conservative. You were just pretending to be a liberal in order to not offend anyone. That was very empathetic.

smart makes a comeback · #**203** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

I used to think I could disagree with you, but that we could remain civil.

Now, I know you're illogical, label-obsessed, and a total egomaniac.

.....who thinks that broadcasting the PM's you've gotten (presumably supporting you, I gather) will somehow sway my opinion.

So you also believe in popularity contests.

Congratulations. You're the prom queen.

You have an odd definition of civil disagreement Sis

Clearly. I will not sway your opinion.

You are absolutly committed to your opinion, and thats fine.

I stated mine...and gave the reasons for it

But before you go and demonize me, I suggest you review the conversation, and see WHO'S opinion was declared "stupid", "Ignorant" and was attacked.
Notbthe things that LED me to my opinion mind you, just my opinion itself

Yes..I responded in kind, and sunk to the level of those to whom I was defending my opinion...as if I should havew to

Like I said several times, dont insult everyone's intellect, by claiming you FIRST heard this point of virew from me...becuse that would be a lie..you know it...and I know

Randism is nothing but a social and cultural novelty, and there are good reasons for that, not the least oif which, (as i said no less then 10 times) is that no society could survive under it's premise

So….I would say to you and your partner….ask not for whom the bell of naïve idealism tolls, it tolls for thee

ricechickie · #**204** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

You have an odd definition of civil disagreement Sis

Clearly. I will not sway your opinion.

You are absolutly committed to your opinion, and thats fine.

I stated mine...and gave the reasons for it

But before you go and demonize me, I suggest you review the conversation, and see WHO'S opinion was declared "stupid", "Ignorant" and was attacked.
Notbthe things that LED me to my opinion mind you, just my opinion itself

Yes..I responded in kind, and sunk to the level of those to whom I was defending my opinion...as if I should havew to

Like I said several times, dont insult everyone's intellect, by claiming you FIRST heard this point of virew from me...becuse that would be a lie..you know it...and I know

Randism is nothing but a social and cultural novelty, and there are good reasons for that, not the least oif which, (as i said no less then 10 times) is that no society could survive under it's premise

So….I would say to you and your partner….ask not for whom the bell of naïve idealism tolls, it tolls for thee

Thanks anyway, but you suffer from a particular kind of short-sightedness about what constitutes insult.....it's always from the other side.

I'm done.

ricechickie · #**205** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by percysunshine

I knew you were a conservative. You were just pretending to be a liberal in order to not offend anyone. That was very empathetic.

Yes, well we conservatives (OOPS!) are quite generous in that way.

smart makes a comeback · #**206** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Thanks anyway, but you suffer from a particular kind of short-sightedness about what constitutes insult.....it's always from the other side.

I'm done.

To me..."In other words you never read her"..is an insult, as a women, and as an educated person

yes .....you are done

ricechickie · #**207** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 07:27 PM

Last word!

smart makes a comeback · #**208** (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ricechickie

Last word!

Last word mor not...you were right....You're done

Have a nice day in Stepford Betty Crocker

Dom1 · #**209** (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

AS to the connection to Rand, as I said in my original response:
History shows, it is a short slide down and steep slope, between militant opposition to mandated altruism, and "eliminating" the need for it
To deny that, is naivete

You already showed us that you don't know what mandated means on the Constantine thread. Maybe you shouldn't use it in a sentence.

Also, show us some hisotrical examples of how mandated altruism has led to the eliminating of it.

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When your "exceptions" are Imperial Germany, Imperial France, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Spain, Communist Russia, those are pretty HUGE exceptions.

And again, Rand wasn't knocking individuals fighting for what they believed. Her whole argument was against using the State to impose it on people.

Which is something she clearly doesn't understand because she either didn't read Rand or she didn't understand what was being said.

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Again, cite specific examples of how Rand believed that certain people were not deserving of equal rights......

Explain how gulags, concentration, and re-education camps are a result of individualism run amok.

She can't.

She also can't explain how Rand leads to or is fascism.

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When discussing objective ethics, what diod Rand say about person A's responsibilty to person C, when given the unltimatum by person B ?

(A hint, it had to do with choosing between ones own safety, and the safety of another....read especially what she said about how "Rights" did or did not enter into it)

This has nothing to answer his question. Why do you think it does?

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If you can't then you are full of it and you would be laughed out of any real debate.

She already is. Without her using her own screen names to support her she could very rarely get anyone to agree with her.

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Uhm, what is your issue with this? I don't think you understand what she said.

She definately doesn't understand.

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LOL..I have no issue with it.

Since I have ben familier with it since College, I am all too familier with it.

tell me, what does it say to you about individualism and the priorities concerning the rights and well being of others?

Simple question

Rand doen't advocate taking rights away from anyone. As to the well being of others, if it is to the person's detriment to help others then she says it is wrong. Again, she doesn't want this well being to others mandated by the govenment.

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

I am beginning to think that Dom and NBF are right about her. You and I have given her countless chances to present an argument to support her views, but she instead throws out irrelevant crap (for the life of me I really can't see her issue with what she posted that is supposed to show how evil Rand is).

It's a shame, because I sometimes get a hint that there might be more to her, but every time I get that feeling and try to press her on it, she reacts like a badger backed into a hole.

Nah, there isn't any more to her. She doesn't like to be told she is wrong, which is strange because I am sure it happens quite often.

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Or just incapable of arguing, or not as smart as she thinks she is, or maybe she just has been burned so many times trying to debate that she has given up. Lots of potential things.

She is not capable of arguing. She definately isn't as smart as she thinks she is. And she has been burned quite a few times, hence her double digit (and counting) screen names.

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Ask yourself the question I have posed no less then 5 times, but you have avoided

What was it that led people to know of genicide, but say and do nothing ?
Whoes interest did they have in mind, and who were they exclusivly concerned with ?

Simple answer...all you need to do is grow up...and face it

They were afraid and were not in power. It wasn't because they were exercising their individual rights.

Indivualism did not lead to facism and if you really think it did you aer hopelessly deluded into thinking that you are smart or capable of making a strong argument. In fact, if this is the best you have, and I see no reason I should believe otherwise, you have nothing. Best admit defeat and move on to your next trouncing.

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Walk home from the playground with a bloody nose and a fat lip...but tell yopur mom and yourself...."Boy I really showed that other kid" while that other kids laughs at you as you waddle home

Like I said, you are not fooling anyone by pretending this is the first time you have heard my views...and clearly, not the first time a person with my views....schooled and attempted to educate you,...while you clung to you myth and silly notions

You do realize that you are describing yourself, don't you?

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You know, I honestly do believe that you think you have supported your arguments.

I really do.

Oh, the answer to the question above is fear. Not selfishness. If you had read Rand you would know that she had said that not defending others rights will lead to your own rights being taken away.

But that is the point. You don't understand anything she wrote, which is why you think you have supported your argument. All you think is "selfishness" means looking out for me and screw everyone else.

That is simplistic and stupid. As I said about 100 posts ago, Rands moral maxim cuts BOTH ways.

Further proof that either she hasn't read Rand or she doesn't understand what is being said by her.

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FEAR and SELFISH are ONE and the SAME !

No they aren't. Whatever gave you that idea?

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No, I have to agree. You have not argued anything. Claim victory all you want, doesn't make it true.

Much like the Constantine thread, you have been backed into a corner, and all you have left is thrashing out at people.

Rand specifically showed how her beliefs could not be construed towards allowing violence towards individuals to occur. You though can't handle that. You have to believe what you believe because well, being "right" is all you have.

Despite her claiming a victory I do believe she knows otherwise. She has been beaten so many times that she even refuses to answer some people, because she knows that she never wins. That way she has an excuse.

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I dont need outside stimulous to feel superior, to those I am clearly superior to,and no one needs helpto see it either,as seen in the PMs I have recived as a result of this thread...LOL

I have now humbled Takuan on two topics...but he just keeps coming back for more punishment , seems the poor guy cant help himself

He (and a few others) have soundly thumped you on those two threads.

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To me..."In other words you never read her"..is an insult, as a women, and as an educated person

yes .....you are done

Who cares if you are insulted. First of all, I doubt you are too well educated. Secondly, you don't understand what Rand is saying even when it is explained to you.

As a "women"? Why would it insult you as a woman?

smart makes a comeback · #**210** (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 11:56 AM

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Today 03:36 AM
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Thank you for your continued display of pathological obsession

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While we make no harsh judgments against, and are tolerant of the learning impaired , the stupid, drooling fat fuks, the chronically unemployed, and men who cross dress and have female alter egos, it has been decided that your chronic displays of the aforementioned, along with general whiney, woooseyness, do meet the minimum requirements for classification as a viable human being

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