Name that Religion

Areyouforreal · #11 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 08:37 AM

He does not talk about drinking that blood for salvation, he talks about sprinkling the blood and ashes on an unclean person to make them clean, outwardly. Which is not the same as being saved.
He was also talking to the Hebrews about their past and the rituals they preformed.
Hebrews 9:11-14
The Blood of Christ
11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[b] so that we may serve the living God!

Dom1 · #12 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 08:53 AM

Perhaps I mispoke about the salvation. The Eucharist is not seen as a path to grace itself, but is seen as a sort of fulfillment in the Chrisitan community. It is the following of Christ's intructions during the Last Supper. There is evidence that Paul was speaking to Mithraists when he said this to gain converts. The early Christians had to make compromises to bring pagans in. By the way, Constantine's father (and most likely Constantine to) was an initiate into Mithraism. They are very similar.

Areyouforreal · #13 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

OK. I know I will get pounded on this, but I thought I would put this out there to see what others had to say.
First While Jesus is God he also is Gods son. While Jesus walked among us a man God was still in heaven. So while Jesus is God he is seperate as well
What religion had a God who had a birthday which was celebrated on December 25?
Jesus was not born in winter but in the summer
What religion had a God who had twelve disciples?
Jesus had disciples not God.
What religion had a God's worship which involved baptism?
What religion had a sacred meal with bread and wine?
What religion described a heaven and hell?
What religion held that this same God was buried and was resurrected three days later?
Jesus was died was buried and rose again not God
What religion had seven sacraments?
What religion had a God who was born and visited by shepards bearing gifts?
Jesus was born a man not God who was still in heaven at the time.

Hint: It developed in Iran 2700 years ago.

I have explanations of what ancient Christian theologians said about it, I just wanted to hear what all of you had to say.

Explaining the Trinity
http://members.aol.com/ChristBearer72/trinity.html

http://my.homewithgod.com/bethshalom...y/trinity.html

Areyouforreal · #14 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Perhaps I mispoke about the salvation. The Eucharist is not seen as a path to grace itself, but is seen as a sort of fulfillment in the Chrisitan community. It is the following of Christ's intructions during the Last Supper. There is evidence that Paul was speaking to Mithraists when he said this to gain converts. The early Christians had to make compromises to bring pagans in. By the way, Constantine's father (and most likely Constantine to) was an initiate into Mithraism. They are very similar.

While they may have similarities they are very different.
Also the passage I put Paul was speaking to Hebrews(Jews) about their past.

Areyouforreal · #15 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 09:06 AM

What politicon posted actually disputes this better than I could.

Dom1 · #16 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

What politicon posted actually disputes this better than I could.

Keep in mind that I am playing the devil's advocate here, I just wanted to see what you and Politicon would say. I figured there might be some others who would post, but I pretty much knew you two would post. You both have a pretty good grasp on Christianity, in my opinion, and I wanted to challenge the two of you a bit. I basically wanted to see if your reasonings were the same as mine on this issue.

As to your rebuttals a couple of posts ago, Mithra's relationship with his father (God) was viewed the same way as Jesus's relationship. They were both worshipped as God on Earth. The Trinity does hold that Jesus is God. So if Jesus is God, and Jesus had disciples, didn't God have disciples?

Areyouforreal · #17 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 09:39 AM

Technically yes. The Trinity is very complex and beyond mortal understanding of how it is done.
How are our reasonings compared to yours?

Dom1 · #18 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 11:20 AM

It isn't so much that I have specific reasonings on the issue, I just like to read what some of the Latin Fathers (Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose) write sometimes. I haven't seen Mithraism in a while and I ran across it the other day and I got to thinking about it. Jerome, who was very vitriolic in his writings, would argue that much of it was made up to look like Christianity, and was not really so much like it; others would argue that the devil knew of the prophecies of Jesus, and tried to fool mankind. I just like to compare what people say today to waht they said 1600 years ago.

Areyouforreal · #19 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 11:29 AM

Ok I see now

nathanbforrest45 · #20 (**permalink**) 08-31-2006, 12:10 PM

Excellent thread of post!!! Bravo