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03-18-2008, 11:50 AM
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two things
(1) Actually blacks did fall over dead because of segregation. They were not able to get as much medical care as whites, they were not able to get as much police protection as whites and in general lead lives that were in greater danger than whites, strictly as a result of segregation.
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Actually, I've read that black life expectancy exceeded white life expectancy during the segregation years. I'll see if I can find that.
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(2) I don't care if a Muslim or a Buddhist preaches in a public space. I don't have to listen to him if I don't want to. However, I believe it is only thru a belief in a Supreme Being that we create everlasting codes of conduct. Without that belief then its simply Might makes Right.
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But, that is your own personal belief, nathan...and you are entitled to it. But, when it comes to religion and faith, I don't think any one faith or belief should be considered the correct one...or the norm...and that includes atheism. It's personal and from a government point of view, it should be kept that way without denial or endorsement.
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Others will argue but it always comes back to "sez who"??. I firmly believe the "counterculture" is attempting to rid the world of all religion except a state religion
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I don't know anything about that...all I know is what I think. I'm not religious, but I strongly believe in the freedom of religion.
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03-18-2008, 11:51 AM
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I will go to work in an hour and work for 24 hours and that is it for the entire week, although I have to do a lot of CE and meetings that amount to about 45 hours per week of work. If I wanted to post at work I could, but I rarely have time. I get paid per procedure that I perform and make a very good living doing so.
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Wow, good for you. But...not what I asked. When I ask a question about who tyhinks they have it made I call you.
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03-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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If I claim sports as my religion does it make it Ok for me, or my children to wear a T-Shirt proclaiming
Jesus was a Hooker
Most people don't understand "Jesus" is a name and "Hooker" is a position on a rugby team, so they get PO'd and belligerent. Did it ever occur to christians, that others take their insistence upon public prayers, displays of religious tenets, etc in the same manner.
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03-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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I doubt there is much persecution of religion in our country. Of course public schools and government institutions should not include religious celebrations or prayers.
That said, there are churches everywhere in America, bumper stickers, religious stores, religious talk radio and forums, religious billboards. Public schools allow for religious clubs, prayer groups as long as they are not led by paid staff. Newspapers have religious sections and advertisements, the internet is full of religious web sites. I can pray anywhere I want. The non profit hospital where I work that is not affiliated with any religion has a beautiful chapel. Religion is not being persecuted or stifled in America and that is because we have separation of church and state.
That said, Reynard...I have to get off to work  . I might try to log on late tonight, if all is quiet.
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03-18-2008, 12:01 PM
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If I claim sports as my religion does it make it Ok for me, or my children to wear a T-Shirt proclaiming
Jesus was a Hooker
Most people don't understand "Jesus" is a name and "Hooker" is a position on a rugby team, so they get PO'd and belligerent. Did it ever occur to christians, that others take their insistence upon public prayers, displays of religious tenets, etc in the same manner.
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You and I both know there are tee shirts out there saying far worse things about Christians. Look at the Steve Austin's Austin's 3-16 shirt which says he will crush you or some such nonsense. Its ok to attack Christians for their faith but if a Christian ever wants it know he is one look out LULU
Now can you say hypocrite?
tell me what churches by the way are asking for special priviliges from the government?
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03-18-2008, 12:03 PM
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Sam
do you work in an abortion clinic? Thats the only reason I can think of you would be ashamed to tell us what you actually do. I know I know you hide behind some obsure law that actually says you can't give out anyone's medical information but that has nothing to do with what you actually do.
Either you work in an abortion clinc or you are a fraud.
take your pick
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03-18-2008, 12:16 PM
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You and I both know there are tee shirts out there saying far worse things about Christians. Look at the Steve Austin's Austin's 3-16 shirt which says he will crush you or some such nonsense. Its ok to attack Christians for their faith but if a Christian ever wants it know he is one look out LULU
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All reasons why they are not allowed in schools, just as religious themed shirts are not allowed.
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Now can you say hypocrite?
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Very easily. Churches claim a tax exempt status and refuse to open their financial records, yet demand it of others. Churches know a member has committed a crime, but refuse to identify that person, yet demand the police prosecute who ever stole the copper from the church AC. Need I list more, there are plenty of examples.
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tell me what churches by the way are asking for special priviliges from the government?
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Everyone of them that refuses to pay taxes, everyone that demands police and fire protection, again without paying to support it. Every church that deems itself a safe haven for a criminal (or illegal alien) seeking protection from the law.
I won't bother to point out the examples of the Catholic Church, they are worth a book by themself.
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03-18-2008, 02:52 PM
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wwhy is someone named teak on every forum?
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03-18-2008, 10:40 PM
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But...not what I asked. When I ask a question about who tyhinks they have it made I call you.
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You asked about work habits. I am not sure why you would think working 40+ hours a week in which much of it is high stress is "having it made".
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03-18-2008, 10:53 PM
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All reasons why they are not allowed in schools, just as religious themed shirts are not allowed.
Very easily. Churches claim a tax exempt status and refuse to open their financial records, yet demand it of others. Churches know a member has committed a crime, but refuse to identify that person, yet demand the police prosecute who ever stole the copper from the church AC. Need I list more, there are plenty of examples.
Everyone of them that refuses to pay taxes, everyone that demands police and fire protection, again without paying to support it. Every church that deems itself a safe haven for a criminal (or illegal alien) seeking protection from the law.
I won't bother to point out the examples of the Catholic Church, they are worth a book by themself.
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But what you are "conveniently" ignoring is that 99% of the members of any church pay their own way as tax-paying "citizens". Do they as "individuals" give up their rights as US Citizens simply because they are members of a religious organization? The "only" thing that is tax exempt is the status of said religious organization of which they belong, in being free from government demands on the funds they collect from "tax paying" member citizens, and if they were taxed as an "organization" the income which comes from tax payers in the first place would indeed be subject to "dual" taxation. And this in turn would in fact make the example of the founding fathers declarations "moot" in the fact that this nation was established to allow freedom to worship or freedom from worship, without GOVERNMENT MANDATED PROCLAMATIONS interfering with the right thereof. BD
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