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Old 08-27-2006, 02:51 PM
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Abortion is against Islam.
On the issue of creationism in Islam it is believed Allah created everything....and that he created Adam from a single blood clot......however, intellegent design.or the idea that Allah/god may have created humans and they evolved is still possible in Islam.
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Old 08-27-2006, 03:51 PM
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I realized that Islam was most likely against abortion, just like Christianity is. What I meant was whether or not some Muslims felt that abortion was still justifiable. BARK answered the quetion in regards to Tunisia's policy of pro-choice. Some people in the United States will call themselves Christian and still be pro-choice. I just wanted to know if there were some Muslims who felt the same way. I think it is an example of religion's evolving, be it for good or bad. I am not saying that this 'evolution' of religion is necessarily a good thing. I don't believe in abortion, but it is not necessarily because of any religious convictions.
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Old 08-27-2006, 03:56 PM
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personally a believe in pro choice.....but that is only because i dont think the government should be involved in personal decisions.and I am a Muslim but i drink beer and smoke pot...but i still pray.....even though my fellow muslims dont think its right I believ that islam has to adopt to the times as have both Christianity and Judaism.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:38 PM
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Your facts in the post prior to the one I am quoting pretty much sum it up that peace is stressed; not hijacking planes and flying them into buildings.
While true that hijacking planes and flying them into buildings isn't right (even though on other threads I believe it's been stated that we're not allowed to say it's wrong or be critical), but by doing so what tenet of the Qur'an has been violated? Where might peace, mercy, tolerance and compassion for the unbeliever be found?
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:10 PM
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While true that hijacking planes and flying them into buildings isn't right (even though on other threads I believe it's been stated that we're not allowed to say it's wrong or be critical), but by doing so what tenet of the Qur'an has been violated? Where might peace, mercy, tolerance and compassion for the unbeliever be found?
in those who really understand the Qur'an. Please GOD! Stop letting people believe that Bin Laden is trying to do anything more than try to get his name remembered. Islam is not about any of that. The Bible is as violent as the Qur'an the test though is wht do you listen to. How can you call yourself a good person if you kill? If there is good and bad in the world does it not make sense to put good and bad in the books that are supposed to guide one through life? The test is do YOU personally listen to the good or bad parts. Bin Laden Failed. Bush Failed. I hope they both rot in hell together and have to look at all the children who have died in this shit. I hope they have to answer the questions of the mothers who lost their sons in this shit. I hope for once they finally have to answer to somebody for what they have done.
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:19 PM
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And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
2:78

After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (their enemies) against them, in guilt and transgression; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? And on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
2:85

We gave Musa the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave 'Isa, the son of Maryam, Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a Messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
2:87 Isa is Jesus and Maryam is Mary

THIS IS IMPORTANT
The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon"; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (to stand) upon." Yet they (profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
2:113

Those who conceal the Clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after we have made it clear for the People in the Book, on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse.
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(Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism far (from the purpose).
2:176

WE ARE THE SAME
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Musa) and the Gospel (of 'Isa).
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Musa is Moses and Isa is Jesus
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:20 PM
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THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are not of well-established meaning. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not of well-established meaning. Seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its true meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
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BY THE WAY "THE BOOK" IS THE BIBLE.
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Old 08-28-2006, 08:30 PM
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in those who really understand the Qur'an. Please GOD! Stop letting people believe that Bin Laden is trying to do anything more than try to get his name remembered. Islam is not about any of that. The Bible is as violent as the Qur'an the test though is wht do you listen to. How can you call yourself a good person if you kill? If there is good and bad in the world does it not make sense to put good and bad in the books that are supposed to guide one through life? The test is do YOU personally listen to the good or bad parts. Bin Laden Failed. Bush Failed. I hope they both rot in hell together and have to look at all the children who have died in this shit. I hope they have to answer the questions of the mothers who lost their sons in this shit. I hope for once they finally have to answer to somebody for what they have done.
Very compassionate, tolerant answer? Unfortunately the question is still unanswered. The Qur'an has little if any similarity of message.
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Old 08-28-2006, 09:18 PM
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if you can't find what it says above to answer your question it is no surprise.
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Old 08-28-2006, 09:18 PM
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do you want to find find a verse that says thou shalt not fly planes into buildings
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