How true!!

Than what is everyone bitching about? Do you all think somehow that religion is making it's way into interfering with our bill of rights? I would not think so. Perhaps in ways like the war on drugs, or prohibition of Prostitution. Even so, most Liberal Countries ban such things. Regardless of my opinions on the adverse effects of Prohibiting personal behavior.

Freedom of Speech is an absolute right. I can stand anywhere on my own property or public property and say whatever the hell I feel like. Not because of some god damn piece of paper. It's because no Government is big enough to shut me, or anyone else who understands our rights up.

Same goes for Religious speech, political speech, religious expression, political expression, and all the other things tied into either Common Law or the 1st Amendment.

If the 1st Amendment is misinterpreted to somehow mean we have to restrict anything. Than it's purpose is lost, and we might as well let the Government tell us what we can say and where to say it.

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I don't know about whether the size of government matters. After 9/11 any questions or arguements against going to Iraque were silenced with " you aren't a patriot or you love the terrorists" Remember those days? So good information didn't get to us to make an informed judgement. Even the news papers were intimidated.

Religion needs to stay out of government. That dosen't curtail free speech at all. It protects religion

No one, nor even myself is arguing that. I am pointing out the fallacy of the whole damned argument. Seperation of Church and State is not, in fact being violated in any other noticeable way than the made up sensationalisms of people who just outright hate religion. I can think of a hundred current infringements of our Constitutional Rights that all Governments in America do, local, state, and Federal.

So what the hell is sooo God Damned important about some fucking Baby Jesus on City Hall?

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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
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Same old tired argument... there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. Read the goddamn document sometime.

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It is implied, by stating Congress Shall Make no Law. You can interpret it like I have said before.

There is a seperation of Church in State implied by various founding fathers, regarding the 1st Amendment. Meaning, Congress shall make no law regarding Religion. Which is a clear indictment of Church and State intermingling.

It does not however say anything about State or Local Governments. Which is the key. States have passed laws, regarding a Seperation of Church and State. So legally it is there, at either interpretation or how you look at it.

Lastly, Christmas decor on a City Hall is not a breach of any Seperation of Church and State, period. It just is not an intelligent argument when arguing about the 1st Amendment. As the Constitution is not a living document, that can be changed with the opinions of a judge. It clearly states it needs to be altered or changed by Congress, alone.


So, if Congress shall make no law. If Congress is forbidden from passing any law regarding Religion. Who is it truley delegated to?

Read your Constitution on that one folks. The truth is as plain as Pancakes.

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Im afraid you better ask the religious right that question? Its pretty simple to me, keep religion out of government. It doesn't offend me to see baby Jesus on street corners. I get uneasy when nativity scenes or any religious symbols are displayed on government property though. This administraion has been really bringing and allowing religion into politics and government so the push back is going to be fierce. I"m glad for that......Now people like some on Fox and others are trying to use an old scare tactic by trying to scare Christians. There is really no war on Christians or Christmas.

The crusades in the M.E. and the crusade that toppled Constntinople...sent by the Pope for just that reason?

i think that the only place the government should strictly enforce the separation of church and state is in the law making and enforcing. Anything in those departments should be religion free because the only thing any of those people should use is the constitution. Any of their own morals could warp the ideas of the constitution. as far as Christmas goes as long as you are not forcing anyone into practicing that religion, whats the problem. in schools as long as it doesn't waste class time who cares. the worst it can do is open kids' minds up to other ways of thinking.

To say money is the catalyst for war and not religion, i would agree, but there is rarely a war that isnt justified with religion, and without that justification the rich couldnt get us to go to war