Agnostics are pussies

Uncensored2008 · #**141** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Clee_O'Patty

I personally am not afraid of the atheist lable, but in many peoples minds atheist has a different definition.

Atheist is to agnostic as Pentacoastal is to Methodist.

Atheist = Fanatic

Suburbanite · #**142** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncensored2008

Nope, I don't have enough faith to be an athiest. Stating absolutely that there is no diety possible is a matter of faith - and I am faithless...

well, its also got a lot to do with the fact that your definitions are COMPLETELY incorrect, as I have been explained. try going past the first post when you reply.

Suburbanite · #**143** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

The trouble with atheists is that they are exactly like people who take glee in telling children that there is no Santa Claus. Yeah, its true and all, but what sort of bastard does that? Now I know that God is not Santa Claus and adults are not children, but the same principle applies. If a belief in God gives someone comfort in this harsh universe, as long as they don't try to force it on others, what sort of bastard needs to rip that comfort away from them?

see dude you're just dumb. you cant defend against one of my plethora of arguments and then you just make shit up. santa clause? you dumb ass, not all atheists come from Christian families. seeing as i have openly advocated religion for some people, you once again fail to comprehend an atheist!

Listen, since you wont shut up, very carefully. I am a first hand source, I AM an atheist, and I AM going to keep telling you what that means to US. I could care less about how pussies feel about calling themselves atheists, clearly agnostics are far too afraid to even allow my definition into their head. the fear comes from the fact that you're just a lazy Christian, you want to worship god without doing any work.

Suburbanite · #**144** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clee_O'Patty

I read your quote and it was good. I don't mind if you want to make agnosticism a subset of atheism. I am in fact an agnositic atheist then as opposed to a confirmed atheist I guess.

I personally am not afraid of the atheist lable, but in many peoples minds atheist has a different definition. Perhaps they are lazy or ignorant thinking people but if I tell most people I know that I'm atheist instead of agnostic, they assume that I'm 100% sure that there's no such thing as god or gods.

So I call myself an agnostic because the only thing I'm 100% sure of is that it's impossible to know for sure if there is or isn't a god/s. To me this is the only truly honest position to take. Unfortunately it leads to fights with both theists and atheists alike, because I firmly believe that they can't know any better than I can.

As an American, I fully support your right to choose to be an atheist or a theist. I just wish that people would admit it's a choice and not try to claim they know the 'right' answer for everyone else.

And I don't. On wikipedia, they have a section talking about our form of atheism as "weak" atheism. I don't appreciate that. So i'm stuck, some dweebs think I'm an agnostic (a word I hate) and others still think I am "weak". That is why I prefer the more accurate term Ironist, which is one who doesn't believe in any ultimate Truths of any nature, be they religious or metaphysical.

Suburbanite · #**145** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

It is not being afraid of the label "atheist" that is the issue, hell I know that the "theists" will insist on it, rather, as you pointed out that, it is important to distinguish between those who insist they know there is no god, to those who don't believe there is no god.

The importance of the distinction is that it makes it easier to appeal to the majority of "theists" who could accept a live and let live policy (I call them faith-holders or spiritualists and opposed to the "theists" who insist that their way is the only way and everyone else has to conform to their way (they can also be called fundamentalists, but I have met many people who are fundamentalists that are willing to leave others alone)). Whereas many hard core atheists, and indeed the very name "atheist" makes it difficult to appeal to them because they see it as an attack on their faith.

Easier to appeal to "theists"? What the heck? I thought you said you didn't like imposing your perspective, that you don't believe your perspective is the be all and end all. I see you've contradicted yourself. As you'll see, I personally have never even attempted once in my life to take a sheep from the flock, or rather, convert a theist into atheism. Its never been a goal of mine, but clearly one of yours. In fact, you're more of an atheist using your own definition than I am. Wow, didn't see this coming...

Rumpelforskin · #**146** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 02:01 PM

Tizz is more of a panendeist than anything else.

If you like exact terms, that is. But, if you just like to excoriate people for not using definitions that correspond to your own, I suppose you're on your own.

Suburbanite · #**147** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Clee_O'Patty

You're right. Building coalitions is important and being less threatening or harsh in your opinions helps with that for sure.

I didn't think of any of that when I decided to be an agnostic. In my case, I kind of inherited it from my mother. My father is a confirmed atheist and my mother is agnostic. They used to argue about it and I felt my mom won. My favorite quote from her was, "Not being able to admit you MIGHT be wrong doesn't make you right, it only makes you arrogant" Since my dad really is an arrogant son of a bitch, I decided to take after Mom instead.

what a cool family. but, now that you see atheism can mean what you previously though agnosticism meant, doesn't the debate seem more foolish now?

Suburbanite · #**148** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpelforskin

Tizz is more of a panendeist than anything else.

If you like exact terms, that is. But, if you just like to excoriate people for not using definitions that correspond to your own, I suppose you're on your own.

well, that IS why i started this thread.... sorry i'm defending my position so well, I'll work on cow toeing.

TakuanSoho · #**149** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburbanite

Easier to appeal to "theists"? What the heck? I thought you said you didn't like imposing your perspective, that you don't believe your perspective is the be all and end all. I see you've contradicted yourself. As you'll see, I personally have never even attempted once in my life to take a sheep from the flock, or rather, convert a theist into atheism. Its never been a goal of mine, but clearly one of yours. In fact, you're more of an atheist using your own definition than I am. Wow, didn't see this coming...

I am not imposing my "perspective". I am arguing. You can accept or not. Therefore there is no contradiction. I am not trying to "convert" someone who believes in god. My only concern is to ensure that they do not try to impose (they can argue all they want, I love having these debates) their beliefs on others, if they don't do that I respect their opinion to disagree and I respect their faith, even though I don't believe in it.

TakuanSoho · #**150** (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpelforskin

Tizz is more of a panendeist than anything else.

If you like exact terms, that is. But, if you just like to excoriate people for not using definitions that correspond to your own, I suppose you're on your own.

I am a true agnostic. I do not believe there is a god, however I do allow that there is a possibility that there is a god. Now IF there was a god, then the godhead would be something like a panendeist believes, and not the "stern father" of the JCI mold. However, that "IF" is a pretty big one in my book.