Do as you Will,,,In relation to a Sect (Islam) that demands they kill you, if you're an Infidel.

Or bore the crap out of you trying to "save you"... As Christians do.


At least Christians let you Live,

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A Liberal is a Man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel (Robert Frost 1874-1963).

And don't forget Jesus was an "enabler" or a "pusher" - if not a degenerate drunk himself!

Who else would turn water into wine - when all the decent family values social drinkers had fucked off home - for the hard core winos?

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“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - George Bernard Shaw

Biblegod also demands his followers kill unbelievers.

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“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - George Bernard Shaw

I'll give you a free pass.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyR41JbpL_g

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“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - George Bernard Shaw

Uh...er...hmmm...well thank you-know-who we have the 2nd amendment in this country then, eh?

You mean you have atheist militia's up there in Protestonia?!!

Well shut mah mouth!

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“Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - George Bernard Shaw

Have you ever been to the US?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyR41JbpL_g

Three times to the mainland, several times to Samoa.

And don't forget I live in America's Mini Me.

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Responding to suburban.

>>My point, I am totally within my means to seek to redefine a word, despite not being as historically acclaimed as your friend Fuxley. <<

Sure, all people do, however without some impartial third party to resort to you will find that you will mostly be arguing over words and not substance if you cannot accept that not everyone has the same definitions of you. And rhetorically, you are starting with 2 strikes against you if you do not accept that words have meanings. Not saying that you might not be able to cause the word to evolve, but it is not particularly easy to do.

>>I agree and find myself living in their shadows. Which is why I'd like to redefine atheism, to avoid this confusion, to help set the record straight about how WE (and I mean you too) really feel about this issue. We shouldn't be made to fear calling ourselves atheist for free of being grouped in with people we might not agree with ourselves. This is the process all groups struggle with, but why divide unnecessarily? <<

You can't, because they ARE atheists. They belong by the very etymology of the word. You can't get away from that. Which is why a new word was needed to distinguish between the two categories.

>>True, which is why I'd like to recommend you study Richard Rorty's concept of Irony, I think you and many agnostics might find it preferable even to atheism or agnosticism. <<

Probably not. Haven't read much of Rorty, but what I have has not impressed me. I can be convinced otherwise, but you will have to do the grunt work and explain to me why he is of value.


>>But you and I don't wish to have the debate. I mean, if I'm mistaken inform me, but aren't we talking about an agnostic being a special kind of atheist who doesn't argue against religion?<<

You are mistaken, I am debating you. An agnostic is not a "kind" of atheist. They are categorically different. Think of it this way, divide the continuum into four parts: atheist/agnostic/spiritualist/theist. Atheist and agnostic are similar in that both do not believe god exists. Likewise spiritualist and theist both believe god exists. However using my definitions, agnostics and spiritualist have a similarity that stands in contrast to atheists and theists. Namely the first group recognizes that the decision is an internal one, while the latter believe that the decision is an external one. I have no issue with people who believe that god exists, but at the same time have no intentions of forcing me to their belief (spirituals). Those people are not my enemy. My enemy are those who want to impose their views on others, the theists and atheists.

Even if you don't accept my definitions, do not believe that agnostics "don't argue against religion". We do, we just do it a different way.