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Still Dizzy · #31 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

I believe that you are wrong:

9A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. Revelation 14:9-12

When you said "the beast" I thought you were talking about my ex wife

Areyouforreal · #32 (**permalink**) 08-12-2006, 09:44 AM

Is your ex the Anti-Christ?

oceanbreeze · #33 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 12:07 AM

I do believe chipping could be easily corrupted and manipulated. But our fingerprints and the iris of our eyes are already scanned for identification, so it's the next logical step.

Plus, I am already a "military dependent" of the government so I'm already locked in the system, they can already have access to my "medical records, credit rating, how much money you make a year, how much you are in debt, how much you have in the bank, what purchases you have made recently, your criminal record, what you are reading; and of course we want to know about any hair transplants, purchases of viagra, birth control pills, botox injections, etc." But, it's a yawnfest.

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I am sure that there are people who have them, in the case of kidnap and things such as that.

For those with nothing to hide. Would you be willing to post on here for us your medical records, credit rating, how much money you make a year, how much you are in debt, how much you have in the bank, what purchases you have made recently, your criminal record, what you are reading; and of course we want to know about any hair transplants, purchases of viagra, birth control pills, botox injections, etc.

It is not about hiding anything. It is about other people not knowing everything about you. It would be a system that could easily be corrupted. But I wouldn't really care as long as I didn't have to do it.

Roman · #34 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 01:04 AM

Lady,

The use and manipulation is what I'm worried about. I don't care if the g-ment ethically skims through it to keep an eye on terrorists but I'm afraid of that information being exploited and given to private companies. For example, if I'm being tracked will my insurance charge me more for driving 10Miles over the limit? Will a political opponent use information to gain an advantage? Will I get in trouble, interrogated, or socially labeled by doing nothing wrong?

I heard a local news story of a guy in PA who told his Dr. he drinks about 6 beers a night after work and he supposedly lost his license. The report stated that in PA dr.'s are rewuired to report certain things to the police but I think that;s going way too far. Look at porn, a fox news study showed something like 60% of people admittedly have looked up porn at work. Doing so is legal (not work of course) for an adult but it is socially unacceptable (people do but don't admit it) and it could ruin someone's career. What if the our elected g-ment decided to use the information to persecute opponent like when Bill Clinton was in office the IRS coincidentally audited many of his political opponent. This sounds like one big slippery slope with our rights slippy right down it, and that's what I don't like no matter if it's to protect us or not. I'd rather be in danger than live in fear of government and without freedom.

rob · #35 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 11:48 AM

I will not accept a chip as being progress. I think that it is infringing on our rights. I have nothing to hide but I still don't want big brother tracking me.

oceanbreeze · #36 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 01:49 PM

Roman and Rob: I can honestly see how you think chipping fringes on your privacy. But, in the military life, we are already in essence, chipped. Once a member enters the service and marries, the wife is given a indentification card, our kids are given identification cards at the age of 10. We are completely logged into the gov't system. Our driver's licenses, taxes, ect...are all other links to the gov't access to us.

BUT, here's the funny part, my friend's husband worked for Cheney, highest top security clearance, but her husband went to Iraq. While I was at her house one day she got a call from the White House "Where's your husband we need to talk to him about yada, yada, yada", dang she gave them an earful about how they should know when and where he was with his high top security clearance. The gov't will be overburden and will not be able to keep up with it, thus I really don't think it will ever happen to the general population.

rob · #37 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 02:10 PM

Yes I have a retired id card and my whole family is part of the military system to some degree. I can live with the fact that the goverment has access to my medical records, but I will never voluntarily submit to be chipped.

Areyouforreal · #38 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 05:13 PM

The problem comes when it is not a choice but a requirement. The government then decides that a paper ID is no longer suffiicient and you have to use the chip for everything.

r8dmarshall · #39 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 05:53 PM

I would think people would be killed for the chip of a non felon rich person, talk about identy theft. Grab a chip and be somone else. All of those hackers and tech jackers. A dead person can not say he stole my chip after the acid.

Come on, not for me.

oceanbreeze · #40 (**permalink**) 08-13-2006, 09:16 PM

Wow...I recant my whole stance on chipping based on the below reply and that of it being mandated vs. volunteered.

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Originally Posted by r8dmarshall

I would think people would be killed for the chip of a non felon rich person, talk about identy theft. Grab a chip and be somone else. All of those hackers and tech jackers. A dead person can not say he stole my chip after the acid.

Come on, not for me.