Protestants are Catholics

noneof yourbusiness · #21 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 12:26 PM

Definitely baptists. Completely ignorant of the religions they attack.

nathanbforrest45 · #22 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

There is a huge difference in Catholics and Protestants. Catholics worship and pray to a number of GOds they call Saints and the pope. They ask a priest to forgive them for there own sins, and believe whatever the Pope says is infallible in the eyes of God.

I agree, Mary has her own prayer, blessed only amongst women. .

Can you expand in this please. What do you mean by this statement?

ONEWHITEDUCK · #23 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 12:42 PM

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at ... :-O

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satv365 · #24 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

Excuse me but you don't understand shit from shinola about the Catholic Church. Catholics do not pray to a "number of Gods". Catholics ask the saints (those would are believed to be in heaven with God) to intercede in our behalf. Catholics do not pray to the Pope but turn to the Pope as the final arbiter of the meanings of the words of Christ. Catholics do not ask the priest to forgive them of their sins but to be a conduit to God for the forgiveness of sins. Asking a priest to intercede in our behalf is Biblical no matter what some false prophets may say.

First Vatican Council, after much controversy established the concept of the Infallibility of the Pope in Matters of Faith and Morals. If the Pope said it was raining and it was not then he has no more authority than any man but since it is the core belief of the Catholic Church that the Pope actually was chosen by God to fill the role he first gave Peter when he told him upon this rock I will build my church then it follows that when the Pope speaks of matters of faith he is speaking the words put in his mouth by Christ himself.

Before you attack the Catholic Church it would behoove you to better understand its true beliefs.

Right, you pray to saints. When yo kneel to pray, if you talk to anyone but God, your not praying to God.

nathanbforrest45 · #25 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Right, you pray to saints. When yo kneel to pray, if you talk to anyone but God, your not praying to God.

Excuse me,are you capable of clarivoyence? Do you know what is in my head when I pray and to whom I am praying. Yes there are prayers to the saints and yes Catholics kneal to pray, its a sign of respect and supplication. Catholics do not pray to Mary or any other saint for salvation, only to help them lead lives that make them "worthy of the promises of Christ" If Catholics have any faults with prayer its the fact that so many are "canned prayers" like the Hail Mary or the Our Father (the Lord's Prayer to you non Catholics). Unlike Baptist who can pray for 30 minutes over dinner to the point everyone is about to strangle the prayor and not thinking of God at all Catholic prayers are short and to the point. Bless us Oh Lord, for these thy gifts which we are about to receive. From they bounty, through Christ our Lord Amen. That works for me.

To me, Catholic prayers put me in a frame of mind to be closer to God, to have a guidence from those who have come before me and who have been sanctified. To me, being in a Catholic Church with 100 others all praying outloud at the same time creates a spiritual feeling I absolutely do not get from any other religion

ONEWHITEDUCK · #26 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 01:37 PM

NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH THE SON.......NO ONE GETS TO THE SON WITHOUT THE HOLY GHOST

RANK IS IMPORTANT IN ANY CHAIN OF COMMAND

The Annotated Unbroken Chain

WOMEN DO NOT RANK AS MEN

nathanbforrest45 · #27 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 02:41 PM

THREE PERSONS IN THE GODHEAD

God is a trinity in unity. The Godhead consists of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19), yet the three Divine Persons are One: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word (Christ).. and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one" (I John 5:7 in K.J.V., 5:8 in A.S.V.). Each of the Three Divine Persons are equally God, yet, each of the Three make up but One Godhead. "A plurality of persons does not mean that the Godhead is divided, so that the Father is one part of diety, the Son another part, and the Spirit still a third part. 'The Divine nature is the Godhead, simply and absolutely considered; a person is that which subsisteth In the Godhead., as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirits (W, Perkins. 1595), It is the Divine persons in the union of the Divine essence which are to be distinguished, and not the essence itself. Jehovah is to be worshipped as a Unity in Trinity. and a Trinity in Unity: One God is to be acknowledged in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. When scripture is compared with scripture it is plain to be seen that the Divine Unity is not a unity of Persons, but of nature and essence. Though there are three in the Godhead, who are dignified with the incommunicable name of Jehovah, possessing the same attributes and perfections and entitled to the same adoration, yet Holy writ does not exhibit a plurality of deities" (A.W.P.).

Hence, whenever we say "God". or whenever we read in the scriptures "God", we must remember that each of the three persons in the Godhead are implied.

mason234 · #28 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 02:50 PM

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Can you expand in this please. What do you mean by this statement?

Praying to Mary is not praying to God. The blessed are only amongst women not Men. That is the way I interpret it. God made Mary, therefore she cannot be the Mother of God no matter what the trinity says.

noneof yourbusiness · #29 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 03:11 PM

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That is the way I interpret it

This is the crux if the insanity. The wars and brutality propagated against man in the name of religion all boil down to the quoted statement. Because humans comprehend a language filled with contradictions and that can not properly translate between many other ancient and some modern languages people have slaughtered each other by the millions. fucking animals.

nathanbforrest45 · #30 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 03:13 PM

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Praying to Mary is not praying to God. The blessed are only amongst women not Men. That is the way I interpret it. God made Mary, therefore she cannot be the Mother of God no matter what the trinity says.

The Blessed Amongst Women means that of all women she is blessed. It has nothing to do with women being blessed and not men.

The pray is:

Hail Mary Full of Grace (a quote from the Bible)
The Lord is with you (also a quote)
Blessed art thou amongst women (also a quote)
And Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus (except for the Jesus a quote from the Bible)

Again it does not mean only women would find Mary blessed but that of all the women in existance Mary is blessed.

You last statement is somewhat confusing. Is not Mary the mother of Jesus? if Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of God is part of the Godhead would not Mary then be the Mother of God the Son? Do you not believe in the Trinity? If not the Mother of God then who is Jesus? What position does Jesus have in Christianity?

Scripture teaches us that God has said there is only one God. If Jesus is not part of the Godhead, three into one, then who is Jesus?