Prophecy

Skinny Fatts · #11 (**permalink**) 08-08-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by melchizedek22

We couldn't have a endtimes without an Israel,1948,fixed that,the jews getting the old city of Jeusalem in 1967,another old testament prophecy.
the next will be the jews getting the temple mount,when that happens find a deep dark cave,if you want to be one of the meek who inherit the world

With all due respect, this particular viewpoint is only one orthodox "endtimes" viewpoints. There are others that some fine Christian scholars hold. This one is the most popular and the most recent, being only a little over 150 years old (red flag?). It is a poor hermeneutic to look at the day's events and try to find it in the Bible. Newspaper exegesis is dangerous. There are plenty of good resources on the matter. Thanks for the time.

Kindly,
Fatts

Politicon · #12 (**permalink**) 08-08-2006, 10:28 PM

Throughout time people have been trying to apply the prophecies. The apostles thought that the end would come before their deaths. That’s one of the reasons that the New Testament was written down a couple of decades after the ascension. They didn’t think that they would need to be written down. They thought the end would come before hand. Do I think we can apply to the prophecies to today? I think we can we it is predicted that pain, hunger, earthquakes, etc. will come before the end time. Do I think we can accurately predict that this is the end times? No, but it makes for interesting discussion. People throughout history have linked current events to Revelations and they were off. I see no reason that we should be any better then them. I can guarantee you one thing though. We are closer to then end then they were.

Areyouforreal · #13 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 06:55 AM

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Do I think we can accurately predict that this is the end times?

We do not know the exact day ot time but we can know when the season is upon us. Jesus says that we will know the signs.

King James Version
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5

Signs of the End of the Age

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4"Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. 7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9"You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation'[a]standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. 20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ[c]!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24"But in those days, following that distress,
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[d]
26"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. 28"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Mark 13:3-21

melchizedek22 · #14 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

With all due respect, this particular viewpoint is only one orthodox "endtimes" viewpoints. There are others that some fine Christian scholars hold. This one is the most popular and the most recent, being only a little over 150 years old (red flag?). It is a poor hermeneutic to look at the day's events and try to find it in the Bible. Newspaper exegesis is dangerous. There are plenty of good resources on the matter. Thanks for the time.

Kindly,
Fatts

Its from the book of Zechariah

melchizedek22 · #15 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

We do not know the exact day ot time but we can know when the season is upon us. Jesus says that we will know the signs.

King James Version
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5

Signs of the End of the Age

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4"Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. 7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9"You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation'[a]standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. 20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ[c]!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24"But in those days, following that distress,
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[d]
26"At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. 28"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Mark 13:3-21

Abomination that cause desolation=Apollyon=Passover Angel,Who can fight against him?

oceanbreeze · #16 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 10:21 AM

Cat's Meow: Just for clarification I didn't write the 2nd quote in your post, for some reason they are not showing up when I quoted,please credit the right author. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I go with these...and here is why.

1. Why is the Book of Revelations a more accurate or 'real' source than the writings from Hindu or Muslim religions? I believe in those parts of the Old and New Testament that line up with other readings from from other recognized world religions that will agree with each other. These things have to 'jibe' because all humans are the same basically and the common thread has to be there because of our humanity with one another.

2. Mankind has a overwhelming need and drive to explain the 'unexplainable.' This is sort of a metaphysical concept but go with me on this.

rev·e·la·tion
The act of revealing or disclosing.
Something revealed, especially a dramatic disclosure of something not previously known or realized.

The Book of Revelations was written by men who were trying very hard to answer questions (sincerely I might add) about the very existence of mankind and the universe. The very concept of time itself...is there a start? is there an end? If you have the power to explain this and have the concept or aesthetic come closer to our own mortality (we are temporary, time is eternal) then you hold A WHOLE lot of power in your hands. The implication of the Book of Revelations is that if events such as the Armageddon or the "the End of Times" were to happen then it brings us closer to the actually end of elapsed time itself. ie, possibly closer to the hand of God. People will always try to make the two into one.

The Christian point of view about Revelations in context of the the New and Old Testament:

-Man is mortal, the life of a human is temporary.

-Jesus Christ was given to use to show the 'eternal clock,' and the concepts that we are to hold as eternal so that mankind can STAY eternal and be here forever.

-Man wants to better explain these two and in his mortality has a great need to be closer to Jesus Christ because, Christ did walk the earth like us mortals but now is as the Right Hand Of God the Father.

-the concept of the Kingdom of God and the afterlife helps to put us closer but that REALLY does not fully explain it and does not satisfy our real need.

- if you argue or explain from the other end then it brings us even closer. So, you explain that eternity or time itself as we know it has an end too, ie the Book of Revelations is written (really, pulled together from a few sources).

You have found a way to bring the two together so that mankind can be an eternal/supernatural phenomenon like Christ himself. There is nothing wrong with all this but it does originate from a burning and unending desire for man to explain his very existence in the universe (in this case it is a Christian view).

Areyouforreal · #17 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by melchizedek22

Abomination that cause desolation=Apollyon=Passover Angel,Who can fight against him?

When the anti-Christ stands in the third temple and says that he is God
---------[abonination]----------[causes]-------------[desolation]----

cat's meow · #18 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyofmts

Cat's Meow: Just for clarification I didn't write the 2nd quote in your post, for some reason they are not showing up when I quoted,please credit the right author. Thanks.

I know what you are talking about...I was not able the get the quote function to work right so I could get two quotes in a post...how do you do that from two posts (to go into one) ? Sorry, did not mean to do that.

Skinny Fatts · #19 (**permalink**) 08-09-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by melchizedek22

Its from the book of Zechariah

What is? Sorry, not sure what you're speaking of.

oceanbreeze · #20 (**permalink**) 08-10-2006, 11:29 AM

Thanks, sorry, I don't know how to do it either?

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I know what you are talking about...I was not able the get the quote function to work right so I could get two quotes in a post...how do you do that from two posts (to go into one) ? Sorry, did not mean to do that.