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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyofmts
    ...it has been documented that AIDS point of origin was in Africa. I may be wrong, but I recall a strain of AIDS was found in Africa in Chimps. Also, I may be wrong again, but my recollection is that AIDS was "distributed globally" by a male Frech airline steward?
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/spotlight.htm
    The specifics seemed to be traced to certain religious rituals involving the blood of animals such as monkeys but it is hard to tell exactly which 'tribe' or 'religious sect' HIV has its origins from in the central part of the continent. THESE RITUALS DID NOT INVOLVE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS OF SODOMY. Biologists and disease epidemiolgists do know monkeys are carriers of HIV strains. I seem to have read they were aware of HIV as early as the 1920s or 1930s but nobody had done any research and did not recognize it as what it is. But the following is what I can find right at the moment which is a bit light I have to admit.

    AIDS is the fourth leading cause of death worldwide, the #1 cause of death due to infectious disease, and has surpassed malaria as the #1 killer in Africa. There are more than 2.2 million AIDS cases reported worldwide, and 33.6 million people are living with HIV/AIDS. More than 16 million people have died from AIDS. It caused 2.6 million deaths in 1999. According to the National Institutes of Health more than 3 million people will die from AIDS in 2000.

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    While we talk about AIDS being 25 years old, in actuality it is believed that the syndrome has been around far longer. In 1959, a man residing in Africa died of a mysterious illness. Only decades later, after examining some blood samples taken from that man, was it confirmed that he actually died from complications related to an HIV infection.
    I do remember the timeline in Africa going back further though, but it is known as a 'mysterious disease' that people died from the same way as HIV/AIDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyofmts
    First, being gay IS NOT equilavent to having AIDS. AIDS is mainstream.
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm

    As Cat's Meow has already pointed out, it has been documented that AIDS point of origin was in Africa. I may be wrong, but I recall a strain of AIDS was found in Africa in Chimps. Also, I may be wrong again, but my recollection is that AIDS was "distributed globally" by a male Frech airline steward? I was 13 years old when AIDS was first diagnosis and it's sad some still have the stereotype 25 years later.
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/spotlight.htm
    Sorry Tonita (LOL), Aids was not something that chimps passed on to humans.

    The scientific evidence is complete and compelling, the AIDS Virus is a designer bi-product of the U.S. Special Virus program. The Special Virus program was a federal virus development program that persisted in the United States from 1962 until 1978. The U.S. Special Virus was then added as 'compliment' to vaccine inoculations in Africa and Manhattan. Shortly thereafter the world was overwhelmed with mass infections of a human retrovirus that differed from any known human disease, it was highly contagious and more importantly, it could kill.

    http://www.rense.com/general13/inve.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petey
    Sorry Tonita (LOL), Aids was not something that chimps passed on to humans.

    The scientific evidence is complete and compelling, the AIDS Virus is a designer bi-product of the U.S. Special Virus program. The Special Virus program was a federal virus development program that persisted in the United States from 1962 until 1978. The U.S. Special Virus was then added as 'compliment' to vaccine inoculations in Africa and Manhattan. Shortly thereafter the world was overwhelmed with mass infections of a human retrovirus that differed from any known human disease, it was highly contagious and more importantly, it could kill.

    http://www.rense.com/general13/inve.htm
    You’ll excuse me for not trusting the majority of that website based on, um….a questionable past.

    Rense originally became famous in the 90's with the program "Sightings". His radio program and website (see below) cover such subjects as UFO reports, paranormal phenomena, conspiracy theories, reports of new diseases and a plethora of other material rarely covered by the mainstream media.

    Rense will often run articles which purport, for example, that HIV was created in laboratories by the CIA or some other governmental organization in order to reduce the global population as well as to enrich the pharmaceutical corporations. The subjects of the Illuminati and New World Order are often covered on his show and Rense believes that a secret government is in place in order to keep humanity in a position of servitude. He is often very critical of the establishment and of the US government in particular. Many of the guests on his show suggest that extra-terrestrials play a pivotal role within the secret government.

    Rense has been accused of racism, anti-Semitism[1] and Holocaust denial, though he claims he is actually pro-Jewish yet anti-Zionist. He believes that Zionists are "in control of the world" through their dominance of central banking and global finance. Rense claims that the ultimate goal of the Zionist illuminati is to bring in a "New World Order" - a system of government in which all nation states are dissolved and replaced by an undemocratic, global government. Some of guests have criticized the Jewish religion, and have allegedly repeated false quotes from the Jewish Talmud. He has also given airtime to Holocaust deniers such as Ernst Zündel and Mark Weber, and backs theories that the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and used in various ways by "Jewish supremacists" for political power and that "Jewish financiers and bankers were ultimately responsible for hostility towards Jews."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rense.com

    At the same time I will agree that there are seemingly a large amount of man-made-AIDS sites on the internet with seemingly credible sources....from my brief look that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cat's meow
    AIDS as we know it? Are you discounting it has a long history in the African continent before it was 'seen' here, particularly central African countries? AIDS is a not a homosexual disease, you need to do some reading and see the history of the infection and see how it developed/moved and was transmitted. What you say and imply can be argued as much as saying the Ebola virus is a homosexual disease. You do realize drug users have a high rate of infection...right? You do realize numerous people have become HIV positive through transfusion also...right?

    Actually I think you are using your religious beliefs to be honest.
    Ouch. I should have been blasted harder on this post. Forgive me, my research was incomplete on the topic and I should probably do more research then I did. Allow me to clarify using the beautiful paste button.

    In the early 1980s, doctors in Los Angeles, New York City, and San Francisco began seeing young men with Kaposi's Sarcoma, a cancer usually associated with elderly men of Mediterranean ethnicity. Eventually these men died. These men were gay, or at least had sex with other men.
    As the realization that men who had sex with men were dying of an otherwise rare cancer began to spread throughout the medical communities, the syndrome began to be called by the colloquialism "gay cancer." As medical scientists discovered that the syndrome included other manifestations, such as pneumocystis pneumonia, (PCP), a rare form of fungal pneumonia, its name was changed to "GRID," or Gay Related Immune Deficiency. This had an effect of boosting homophobia and adding stigma to homosexuality in the general public, particularly since it seemed that unprotected anal sex seemed to be the prevalent way of spreading the disease.
    Within the medical community, it quickly became apparent that the disease was not specific to men who have sex with men (as blood transfusion patients, heroin users, heterosexual and bisexual women, and newborn babies became added to the list of afflicted), and the CDC renamed the syndrome AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) in 1982.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AID..._United_States

    appears that either HIV existed in very low levels in the United States in periods prior to 1981, or it may have gone extinct in the United States at times, with the present infection established in the USA about 1976. HIV in Africa likewise was at first at levels too low to be noticed. In the United States and Africa HIV was at first mostly found only in residents of large cities. The infection is now more widespread in rural areas, and has appeared in regions such as China and India, where it was previously not evident.
    Author Randy Shilts mentioned that what was later called AIDS became evident in the gay community in the Fire Island, New York area in the four years after the 1976 Bicentennial celebrations. The infection tended to double in numbers about every nine to ten months. It therefore took a couple of years before a new disease was suspected because there were at first not enough symptomatic individuals to be noticed.
    The earliest documented HIV-1 infection dates from 1959, and was discovered in the preserved blood sample of a man from Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[7] In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1984, and in 1987, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. The doctors who worked on his case at the time suspected he was a male prostitute, though the patient did not discuss his sexual history with them in detail. [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]
    In 1976, a Norwegian sailor named Arvid Noe, his wife, and his nine-year-old daughter died of AIDS. The sailor had first presented symptoms in 1966, four years after he had spent time in ports along the West African coastline. Tissue samples from the sailor and his wife were tested in 1988 and found to contain the HIV-1 virus (Group O).[13] [14] The next documented western death from AIDS was that of Dr. Grethe Rask in 1977. Rask, a Danish surgeon, had worked in the Congo in the early 1970s.
    The official date for the beginning of the AIDS epidemic is marked as June 5, 1981, when the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter that unusual clusters of Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia (formerly Pneumocystis carinii) had been discovered in gay men in Los Angeles in the early 1980s.[15] Over the next eighteen months, more Pneumocystis jiroveci clusters were discovered among otherwise healthy men in cities throughout the country, along with other opportunistic diseases (such as Kaposi's sarcoma[16] and lymphadenopathy[17]), common in immunosuppressed patients.
    In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent [18] and was initially termed 'GRID' (Gay Related Immune Deficiency[19]). However, the same opportunistic infections also began to be reported among hemophiliacs [20], heterosexual IV drug users, and Haitian immigrants [21]. By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new name, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) [22]. An anagram of AIDS, SIDA, was then created for use in French (Syndrome d'Immuno-Déficience Acquise) and Spanish (Síndrome de Inmunodeficiencia Adquirida) [23].
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin



    Some will argue that this is a man made disease (or at least spread). I’ll let you do your own research into that though considering that it is not widely thought (although you can find many sites talking about it).

    On a more personaly note, thank you Cat's Meow for pointing out my massive error.
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    Cat, all three of your assertions are correct. But the statement about religon and aids is not correct. The natives in the bush were eating the monkeys, and selling the meat to markets in the larger villages.

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    from My Post which was not updated information: The specifics seemed to be traced to certain religious rituals involving the blood of animals such as monkeys but it is hard to tell exactly which 'tribe' or 'religious sect' HIV has its origins from in the central part of the continent. THESE RITUALS DID NOT INVOLVE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS OF SODOMY.
    Thank you for the clarification. Well, I had never read recent specifics of that but this was years ago what I saw; that they were up to 'asserting' the handling of unclean animals parts/blood (monkeys) during VooDoo rituals had possibly spread this. But they did know the monkeys were carriers at the time. Raw animal meat sold on the market can just as well spread massive infection quickly in a very subsistance level society (Yes, makes more sense for quicker infection of the disease) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petey
    Sorry Tonita (LOL), Aids was not something that chimps passed on to humans.

    The scientific evidence is complete and compelling, the AIDS Virus is a designer bi-product of the U.S. Special Virus program. The Special Virus program was a federal virus development program that persisted in the United States from 1962 until 1978. The U.S. Special Virus was then added as 'compliment' to vaccine inoculations in Africa and Manhattan. Shortly thereafter the world was overwhelmed with mass infections of a human retrovirus that differed from any known human disease, it was highly contagious and more importantly, it could kill.

    http://www.rense.com/general13/inve.htm
    Sorry, I take the CDC over this opinion any day of the week ...you are not wrong Tonita.

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    The invention of AIDS is as real as the hormones used in vaccinations in Africa to sterilize women. Its all about population control.
    Last edited by Petey; 08-02-2006 at 06:23 AM.

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    AIDS is a bio-weapon created at Fort Dietrich MD. I thought this string could use some Leftward Thinking. I hope that clears this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitty
    AIDS is a bio-weapon created at Fort Dietrich MD. I thought this string could use some Leftward Thinking. I hope that clears this up.
    Just thought i'd add that thats the same lab where the anthrax was made during the 9/11 inside job.

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