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Old 11-30-2007, 11:41 PM
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Sorry your barking up the wrong tree with links to assumtions. I am a certafied medic and have every swining diving cert. in the world literaly. I have taken enough psychology clases to choke a hore. You know we know less about the human mind than we do about the great oceans of the world.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:53 PM
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Sorry your barking up the wrong tree with links to assumtions. I am a certafied medic and have every swining diving cert. in the world literaly. I have taken enough psychology clases to choke a hore. You know we know less about the human mind than we do about the great oceans of the world.
Shadow; please, it's the internet, you can be whoevever you want to be. I know who I am. I know that a 12 year old's brain isn't physically or mentally developed to make a decision to live or die. Please inform Harvard I don't know anything about the human brain, they were looking forward to my NIDCD donation.

Anyway, legally a 14 year shouldn't be allowed to make a life or death decision on their own.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:21 AM
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Shadow; please, it's the internet, you can be whoevever you want to be. I know who I am. I know that a 12 year old's brain isn't physically or mentally developed to make a decision to live or die. Please inform Harvard I don't know anything about the human brain, they were looking forward to my NIDCD donation.

Anyway, legally a 14 year shouldn't be allowed to make a life or death decision on their own.
And who said that the boys aunt didn't talk to him about it that would not be on his own. Or is it that they did not make the decision you wanted or would have. I don't care if it is Harvard Nothing can be proven 100% in psychology for the most part it is conclusions based on studies and are at best educated guess. My mom has a masters in spychology and hypnotherapy. Just like the medications they give to psych patients but then you buy everything they tell you because they say you should. eh
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And who said that the boys aunt didn't talk to him about it that would not be on his own. Or is it that they did not make the decision you wanted or would have. I don't care if it is Harvard Nothing can be proven 100% in psychology for the most part it is conclusions based on studies and are at best educated guess. My mom has a masters in spychology and hypnotherapy. Just like the medications they give to psych patients but then you buy everything they tell you because they say you should. eh
If you have children, would you allow your 14 old child to decide if they wanted to live or die?
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If you have children, would you allow your 14 old child to decide if they wanted to live or die?
Yes I have a daughter and she is not a JW. But if this situation came up I would opt for the transfusion if she told me she did not want it I would talk to her if I determined that her decision was not based on some silly kid thing or what ever. Well yes I would have to consider it. It would depend on the situtiation but even if I decided to go against her wishes does not mean I would go against this boy and his aunt. This is my family and life and that is theirs I don't have to like or agree to respect it and their decisions. Frankly it is none of my damn buisness.
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Yes I have a daughter and she is not a JW. But if this situation came up I would opt for the transfusion if she told me she did not want it I would talk to her if I determined that her decision was not based on some silly kid thing or what ever. Well yes I would have to consider it. It would depend on the situtiation but even if I decided to go against her wishes does not mean I would go against this boy and his aunt. This is my family and life and that is theirs I don't have to like or agree to respect it and their decisions. Frankly it is none of my damn buisness.
So 14 year olds should be allowed to make any decisions....so that recently charge polygomist did nothing wrong since a 14 year old can make decision their own. The law didn't seem to think so.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:22 AM
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I don't know alot about being JW, but it seems to me that the 14 year old made a choice between temporarily helping his physical being or damning his eternal soul. That is his belief, and he has a right to it.

At fourteen, I knew what death meant and that it was permanent.

That being said, religious beliefs do not always trump protection of children. That is why, basically, the law actually made the decision in this case. The judge made the decision, not the 14 year old.
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Old 12-01-2007, 06:24 PM
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It is his Aunt's right. His Parents gave up custody. Which her nephew shared those beliefs, of his aunt. The State has no place or right to interfere with this. This is a personal manner, of which concerns noone but the people involved.

If it is your belief that Blood Transfusions are immoral or wrong, who is the state to say otherwise? Let alone lay ownership over a person's body and force them (child or adult ) to do something there faith or beliefs do not agree with.
It isn't his aunt's right to let him end his life, whatever gave you the idea that it was her right?

Lets say a ten year old girl is going to have sex with a thirty year old man because of her faith. Not only can't she make that decision, it can't be made for her. Simple as that.
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Well, I'm insulted by the majority of the world killing each other in the name of their personal superstition.....

You are right, I could have left that out....
People kill each other for all sorts of reasons, and religion may be used as an excuse more than anything - not the reason. For example, the Wars of Religion were not necessarily about religion. If they were then Catholic France would not have allied with Protestant German states and Protetant Sweden to fight the Catholic Hapsurgs. They use religion as an excuse, but if that were not an option then anotehr excuse would be substituted in its place.

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My point is, they were religious people and wanted to keep their daughter alive, although there was no hope. Yet a 14 year old boy had hope but religion killed him.
The law had a role also. If the boy was over 18 I wouldn't have had a problem with it, but the line has to be drawn and evidently some people think it should be as low as 14 and maybe even lower . . . I disagree.
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