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11-30-2007, 10:22 PM
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My point is, they were religious people and wanted to keep their daughter alive, although there was no hope. Yet a 14 year old boy had hope but religion killed him.
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These two cases had nothing to do with the other. Other than those with the legal right to make the decision did so. There was nothing in the parents religion that shows that there god demands that someone be kept alive by machines. I find it disturbing how people try to demonize religion when it does not allow for there will to be done to all. But how many like minded people would become all religious if say the bible stated that gays had the right to marriage according to jesus.
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11-30-2007, 10:23 PM
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My point is, they were religious people and wanted to keep their daughter alive, although there was no hope. Yet a 14 year old boy had hope but religion killed him.
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The only hope was what maybe 5 more years of a painful emotional loosing battle.
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11-30-2007, 10:32 PM
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These two cases had nothing to do with the other. Other than those with the legal right to make the decision did so. There was nothing in the parents religion that shows that there god demands that someone be kept alive by machines. I find it disturbing how people try to demonize religion when it does not allow for there will to be done to all. But how many like minded people would become all religious if say the bible stated that gays had the right to marriage according to jesus.
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Both parties cited religion to keep their child alive or dying. It's very selfish. People deserve to die with dignity, but also to have exhausted their means to live. I'm pro-gay marriage, so it wouldn't bother me one iota.
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11-30-2007, 10:50 PM
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Both parties cited religion to keep their child alive or dying. It's very selfish. People deserve to die with dignity, but also to have exhausted their means to live. I'm pro-gay marriage, so it wouldn't bother me one iota.
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Die with dignity exactly that is why everyone else should but out. The PROFESIONAL the patient and or guardians are the only ones involved with both situations the allowing of outside lip service and legal manuvering by those outside take away from the dignity. In both cases the parents of the daughter they were thinking of themselves not there daughter not the husband that is going through pain himself. In the boys case same thing. In one case with the woman religion was being used malitiously to seek a end to there own want. In the case of the boy it was used to insure the boy had the legal right to do with his life what he wished. Who are we to say what that boy realy did or did not believe. Say they forced him to do the transfusion and he did last five more years but now he not is only scared about dieing now he is petrafied that he is damned because he had the transfusion. He made a decision that made himself feel less terrified about dieing is that so bad. Religion is mans way of explaining and dealing with their own mortality. I say what ever helps you deal with it go for it. Just because peoples belief in religion has been exploited for bad and evil things does not make religion evil it makes those who have done so evil or bad.
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11-30-2007, 10:52 PM
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Both parties cited religion to keep their child alive or dying. It's very selfish. People deserve to die with dignity, but also to have exhausted their means to live. I'm pro-gay marriage, so it wouldn't bother me one iota.
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Would the boy or the guardian had a choice if they did not cite religion NO so you down religion because it gave them a tool in which to do as they wished.
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Would the boy or the guardian had a choice if they did not cite religion NO so you down religion because it gave them a tool in which to do as they wished.
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I don't down religion. People use it for purposes to suit their own needs. That's what I am down on and also a 14 year isn't legally an adult to make decisions on their own.
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11-30-2007, 11:05 PM
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I don't down religion. People use it for purposes to suit their own needs. That's what I am down on and also a 14 year isn't legally an adult to make decisions on their own.
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An 18 year old aint old enough to drink a beer either but he can have kids and die for this country. Just because it is not legal don't mean it is not right. Just like things that are legal don't make them right. 100 years ago he would have been seen as an adult so what makes it different now? I'll tell you changes in society that in maybe 100 years form now might be the oposite in all things. So to say something is truely right or wrong is not true it is only truely an opinion.
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When I was 12 years old I was dx'd with an incurable, but not terminal, disease. So, if I had been given an "out" or a lifetime of inconveniences which do you think I would have chosen as a 12 year old? The mind isn't developed at that age.
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When I was 12 years old I was dx'd with an incurable, but not terminal, disease. So, if I had been given an "out" or a lifetime of inconveniences which do you think I would have chosen as a 12 year old? The mind isn't developed at that age.
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Why would it be the same It was not terminal that means it can be treated. hmmmmmmmm this child had a terminal disese that could what be prolonged for what 5 years. What disease were you DX with? And just because you were not does not mean others at your age are not more mature. I know a girl who is 13 she is my budies sister she is one of 5 kids the only girl. She can drive a tractor with a bush hog drive a truck take over with the cows, pigs and horses when birthing. I have seen this girl in action several times it is realy impresive when there are compications. Her brothers have more responsabilities at the age of 7 then teenagers in the common home these days. You know why this empresses me because it is how I grew up and the kids around me the problem is parents don't expect anything out of them so at the age of 12 your right they don't know. So if you didn't and they don't these days then parents need to do there job better not bitch and argue weather or not they know then teach them better.
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Why would it be the same It was not terminal that means it can be treated. hmmmmmmmm this child had a terminal disese that could what be prolonged for what 5 years. What disease were you DX with? And just because you were not does not mean others at your age are not more mature. I know a girl who is 13 she is my budies sister she is one of 5 kids the only girl. She can drive a tractor with a bush hog drive a truck take over with the cows, pigs and horses when birthing. I have seen this girl in action several times it is realy impresive when there are compications. Her brothers have more responsabilities at the age of 7 then teenagers in the common home these days. You know why this empresses me because it is how I grew up and the kids around me the problem is parents don't expect anything out of them so at the age of 12 your right they don't know. So if you didn't and they don't these days then parents need to do there job better not bitch and argue weather or not they know then teach them better.
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